I’ll look over anything anyone wants to share, so if you have any good sources to contradict the chart that you haven’t included, feel free to edit them in. I haven’t tracked down your original comment, so that’s not to say you haven’t, just if you want me to see anything, go ahead and add it there. It’ll probably be tomorrow or maybe the next day before I get a chance to churn through any more of this, but I’ll try to get back to it as soon as I can. I may not be fond of the overly cynical defeatism that’s popular in here, but I get where it’s coming from, and I’m open to having my view changed if people are willing to share quality evidence. I’ll try to dig up your comment before I go through the others and see what’s potentially wrong with the chart.
The meaning has already been explained to you and is listed in the WHO citation of your own source. The Gaza Health Ministry is the officially-sanctioned death count producer in all of these “reports” and was systematically disabled by relentless genocidal bombing campaigns of the entire region, and particularly hospitals. Those counts are not accurate, they are a floor, and they are off by an order of magnitude.
The liberal-friendly source on the latter is a Lancet study from like 2024. But there have been many studies on this. Not that you need studies, because again, just knowing the basics of what happened on the ground and how these statistics themselves are sourced makes it obvious. Every major hospital was destroyed. That’s where they recorded these things early-on, primarily. Mass displacement during this hot genocide meant civil services were breaking down and the peopl resposnible were dead, hiding, or moving. This is all very pubilcly known information.
I’m pretty sure I’ve already moved past a notification from you where I’ve admitted someone has explained this and I’ve accepted the mistake. Pretty sure you were kind of an asshole about it, but I’ll address that when I get to it, that’s not the point here.
I was aware of the destruction of infrastructure, hospitals, etc., but I made the apparently erroneous assumption that other methods were used to make a more (but still not completely) accurate estimate. I did not expect the numbers to be perfect, but I figured they’d probably be close enough for discussion purposes. I have been repeatedly assured, by people who don’t seem to grasp that I’m responding to comments in the order I get them, that that is incorrect, so I’ll check out that study when I get a bit more time. If you have anything else that’s relevant, especially anything that might more accurately reflect the count beyond knowing it’s wildly inaccurate, I’d be open to reading that, too.
I’m pretty sure I’ve already moved past a notification from you where I’ve admitted someone has explained this and I’ve accepted the mistake.
I’m not pretty sure. Should I start whining about how you didn’t preemptively provide a citation for this?
Pretty sure you were kind of an asshole about it, but I’ll address that when I get to it, that’s not the point here.
Go ahead and point to it and we can discuss.
I was aware of the destruction of infrastructure, hospitals, etc., but I made the apparently erroneous assumption that other methods were used to make a more (but still not completely) accurate estimate.
So you knew that the GHM was the source of these statistics? That they were largely disabled by the mass bombing campaigns, where the numbers stayed flat while civilian cetner bombing campaigns escalated? that didn’t make you scratch your head? I know that you didn’t really follow these things very closely and did not think of this. In isolation, that is fine. I don’t require anyone to know these things by default. The only expectation is in how they respond to correction and how they pretend at knowledge to forward the power and careers of those doing the genocide.
I did not expect the numbers to be perfect
You claimed they meant something that they don’t. THat is the issue. Nobody set the bar of “perfect”.
but I figured they’d probably be close enough for discussion purposes.
Wrong.
I have been repeatedly assured, by people who don’t seem to grasp that I’m responding to comments in the order I get them, that that is incorrect, so I’ll check out that study when I get a bit more time.
Do that instead of resonding to comments. ANd again, you don’t even need the fucking study. You just need an operational understanding of where the statistics you cited come from. Not everything in politics is going to be laid out for you on a platter by some university dweebs, you need to konw how to question these things before a lancet study comes out, just like every pro-Palestine organizer knew in 2023. That is, if you want to lecture others about it and double down and pretend to be the explainer on this topic.
If you have anything else that’s relevant, especially anything that might more accurately reflect the count beyond knowing it’s wildly inaccurate, I’d be open to reading that, too.
It’s a floor. It is an undercount by an order of magnitude. Nobody knows the actual number because the people responsible for recording it were killed and displaced and the bodies buried under high rises and still not exhumed. The bombing has not stopped. Your boy Biden made sure of that. Vote for him, eh?
I’m open to having my view changed if people are willing to share quality evidence.
Evidence was repeatedly provided to you and you keep going on the same insufferable diatribe. You aren’t willing to accept that you are wrong, you accuse of us being cynical and defeatist just for correctly pointing out no amount of voting blue will stop this. You have been nothing but condescending in this thread to people treating you with more patience and grace than you deserve.
At the time that I wrote that, I had not seen any of it yet because I addressed all my comments in the order they came in, to the best of my ability. Any evidence that may have been provided came after my response here. I’m trying to work through this as fast as I can, but I got SO MANY responses. Calm down, I’ll get through them all eventually.
Don’t bother replying just read what everyone else said and have a long think about it. You could have been reading instead of spamming that useless chart to everyone.
Fair enough on the dogpile thing, but you really have to stop posting that chart; it’s grossly incorrect and misrepresentative
I’ll look over anything anyone wants to share, so if you have any good sources to contradict the chart that you haven’t included, feel free to edit them in. I haven’t tracked down your original comment, so that’s not to say you haven’t, just if you want me to see anything, go ahead and add it there. It’ll probably be tomorrow or maybe the next day before I get a chance to churn through any more of this, but I’ll try to get back to it as soon as I can. I may not be fond of the overly cynical defeatism that’s popular in here, but I get where it’s coming from, and I’m open to having my view changed if people are willing to share quality evidence. I’ll try to dig up your comment before I go through the others and see what’s potentially wrong with the chart.
The meaning has already been explained to you and is listed in the WHO citation of your own source. The Gaza Health Ministry is the officially-sanctioned death count producer in all of these “reports” and was systematically disabled by relentless genocidal bombing campaigns of the entire region, and particularly hospitals. Those counts are not accurate, they are a floor, and they are off by an order of magnitude.
The liberal-friendly source on the latter is a Lancet study from like 2024. But there have been many studies on this. Not that you need studies, because again, just knowing the basics of what happened on the ground and how these statistics themselves are sourced makes it obvious. Every major hospital was destroyed. That’s where they recorded these things early-on, primarily. Mass displacement during this hot genocide meant civil services were breaking down and the peopl resposnible were dead, hiding, or moving. This is all very pubilcly known information.
I’m pretty sure I’ve already moved past a notification from you where I’ve admitted someone has explained this and I’ve accepted the mistake. Pretty sure you were kind of an asshole about it, but I’ll address that when I get to it, that’s not the point here.
I was aware of the destruction of infrastructure, hospitals, etc., but I made the apparently erroneous assumption that other methods were used to make a more (but still not completely) accurate estimate. I did not expect the numbers to be perfect, but I figured they’d probably be close enough for discussion purposes. I have been repeatedly assured, by people who don’t seem to grasp that I’m responding to comments in the order I get them, that that is incorrect, so I’ll check out that study when I get a bit more time. If you have anything else that’s relevant, especially anything that might more accurately reflect the count beyond knowing it’s wildly inaccurate, I’d be open to reading that, too.
I’m not pretty sure. Should I start whining about how you didn’t preemptively provide a citation for this?
Go ahead and point to it and we can discuss.
So you knew that the GHM was the source of these statistics? That they were largely disabled by the mass bombing campaigns, where the numbers stayed flat while civilian cetner bombing campaigns escalated? that didn’t make you scratch your head? I know that you didn’t really follow these things very closely and did not think of this. In isolation, that is fine. I don’t require anyone to know these things by default. The only expectation is in how they respond to correction and how they pretend at knowledge to forward the power and careers of those doing the genocide.
You claimed they meant something that they don’t. THat is the issue. Nobody set the bar of “perfect”.
Wrong.
Do that instead of resonding to comments. ANd again, you don’t even need the fucking study. You just need an operational understanding of where the statistics you cited come from. Not everything in politics is going to be laid out for you on a platter by some university dweebs, you need to konw how to question these things before a lancet study comes out, just like every pro-Palestine organizer knew in 2023. That is, if you want to lecture others about it and double down and pretend to be the explainer on this topic.
It’s a floor. It is an undercount by an order of magnitude. Nobody knows the actual number because the people responsible for recording it were killed and displaced and the bodies buried under high rises and still not exhumed. The bombing has not stopped. Your boy Biden made sure of that. Vote for him, eh?
Evidence was repeatedly provided to you and you keep going on the same insufferable diatribe. You aren’t willing to accept that you are wrong, you accuse of us being cynical and defeatist just for correctly pointing out no amount of voting blue will stop this. You have been nothing but condescending in this thread to people treating you with more patience and grace than you deserve.
At the time that I wrote that, I had not seen any of it yet because I addressed all my comments in the order they came in, to the best of my ability. Any evidence that may have been provided came after my response here. I’m trying to work through this as fast as I can, but I got SO MANY responses. Calm down, I’ll get through them all eventually.
Don’t bother replying just read what everyone else said and have a long think about it. You could have been reading instead of spamming that useless chart to everyone.