• Funderpants @lemmy.ca
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    1 month ago

    The fact the polls aren’t showing a Harris blow out is absoltuly depressing me about the state of the world

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        1 month ago

        Kamala shouldn’t have to be at Obama’s level. A bucket of paint should be infinitely more attractive to everyone on the planet compared to a bigoted narcissist like Trump. The fact that it’s 50-50 proves whoever the Dems choose is not the problem.

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      Seriously, he’s so easily beatable. Why are the Dems so out of touch that they can’t put forward a candidate or a platform that trounces this guy? Say you won’t give tax money to foreign genocide. Should be a landslide victory after that.

      I think not running a primary after Biden stepped down was a huge mistake as well. People feel that a candidate is just being forced on them. If there was even a facade of primaries like they usually are that would have been better than this for the party.

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        1 month ago

        It’s so weird how Lemmy has the best political strategists. And theyre not even paid to do it. They do it here for free. Amazing.

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        Say you won’t give tax money to foreign genocide. Should be a landslide victory after that.

        If that’s all it takes for a landslide, why hasn’t Trump said that? Could it be that it wouldn’t have the landslide effect you claim?

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          Nobody voting for trump is holding out on him until he promises to stop sending money to israel is the huge, glaring, obvious, so simple that it’s embarrassing that I have to point it out difference.

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            You’re saying a large group of voters is NOT voting for Harris, but would if she said these words. Yet if Trump says these words those same voters would NOT vote for him? Why would those voters NOT vote for Trump? This should be an easy answer for you, embarrassingly easy even.

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              1 month ago

              What? Most maga folks are super into what is happening re Israel/gaza

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                  Why would he say that to a base that doesn’t want to hear it? His base is cool with what’s happening in gaza

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                    I’m starting to realize partial_acumen is either an idiot or arguing in bad faith and I don’t know why I argued with them for so long.

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              Well you better tell that to every liberal who blames the left for not voting for Harris over the Gaza issue if she loses then.

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                Well you better tell that to every liberal who blames the left for not voting for Harris over the Gaza issue if she loses then.

                If they want to sit on their hands and not vote for Harris, that is their choice and their right. I disagree with them. If it ushers in a victory for Trump, they will have done themselves (and the rest of us) more harm than any words I could say then.

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                  I just don’t think I’ll ever see eye to eye with someone who doesn’t think applying pressure to politicians to stop promoting genocide is the right thing to do. I just do not understand that lapse in morality and logic at all. I hope I never do.

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                    I just don’t think I’ll ever see eye to eye with someone who doesn’t think applying pressure to politicians to stop promoting genocide is the right thing to do.

                    Keep applying pressure to Harris, but withholding a vote from her will mean much more violence against many more innocent people around the world when you help Trump win.

                    I just do not understand that lapse in morality and logic at all.

                    Withholding a Harris vote because you abhor violence is you embracing morality blind to logic that you want to stop violence.

                    In life we don’t always get the chance to make the “best” choice and are left instead to make the “least worse”. This is one of those times.

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        It should be a landslide victory after saying such, but everything I’ve heard regarding polls on the matter is that doing so wouldn’t actually gain her much if any support, and possibly might lose her some. There’s a very vocal part (especially on lemmy) of the left that would support her more, but the unfortunate matter with Isreal is that a very large portion of the country is genuinely favorable towards that country even when they’re actively destroying a population, dislikes Palestinians enough to believe Isreali propaganda about them being just terrorists, or just doesn’t care about what goes on in the rest of the world and would resent the issue being focused upon over domestic matters.

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        Harris can’t say that, even if she wants to, because she’s party of the current administration. It’s a big weakness