Christian right woman will support this. “He’s right, I’m not fully capable.”
Incels are finally having their moment. Next they will propose laws requiring hot girls to date them.
Not date them, breed ala handmaids tale
Incels aren’t getting shit out of this, this benefits rightwing patriarchs who have abused wives at home.
Incels are alone in a basement or some shit dreaming about being the rightwing patriarch but the rightwing patriarch doesn’t likely feel anything but disgust for the incel. They’d purge the incel in a heartbeat if they could.
No they wouldn’t. That’s their voter base
Note the “if they could”
The government mandated girlfriend will finally come true for Incels.
Trump is like a 5 years old spoiled child…
This is creeps like Stephen Miller and the other nazi goons. Trump is an idiot. He’ll do anything if you compliment him enough.
Can’t wait to see all the videos of right-wing women surprised: “What?!! No one told us he was going to do this! We thought when he said he hated women he was only trolling/owning the libs/joking around!”
The Anti-DEI people hate women? Whodathunk
Look at how Teheran women were dressed in the 70s, and contrast that to how they’re dressed now. The same future awaits American women.
Handmaids Tale, anyone?
Margaret Atwood is rolling in her… checks google… Well-appointed Canadian home.
I’m sure she’s just going “I literally warned all of you, and the government is using it as an instruction book.”
Yeah, no. US society is nothing like islamic societies. A faction if the rabid right thinks like this, and the rest of the right may agree to an extent, but they are aware that they can’t sell that to the majority. Plus, too many women jusdges.
‘‘Everyone is too reasonable for this to happen, despite the fact that the people in charge of every branch of government have repeatedly made it clear this is what they want to do’’
Yes, most people are against this. Also most people are pro choice, or at the very least pro choice in cases of medical necessity, rape or incest, and most people are against laws specifically designed to ethnically clense the US of Hispanic people entirely, or laws that prevent children from accessing modem healthcare, or an unelected billionaire acting as though he’s the president.
Most people being against something doesn’t mean they won’t do everything to make it happen. This has been in the works for the federalist society and so called family values groups and fundamentalist Christian nationalists for my entire life, this isn’t an accident that is happening now.
Oh please. What part of what’s happening now makes you think they give a damn what the rest of us think?
But the rabid right-wing Christofascists running the GOP, are exactly like the religious nuts who took over Iran.
All it takes is heavy propaganda that exaggerates the upsides and downplays the downsides, while shutting down dissidence.
And they will still hate Muslims (and label all of them insane radicals) for Islam’s views on women. Even though Islamic views on women are actually better than what Christian nationalists believe.
oh to be so naive again…
You being pessimistic does not make you wise.
It does, apparently, make you condescending. But not wise.
And you saying “yeah, no” doesn’t constitute a rebuttal. There’s nothing in the Qur’an that isn’t in the Bible vis-à-vis the treatment of women. The only difference between Islamic societies is that they’ve convinced more people to take it literally, and it absolutely can happen in the US.
I didn’t say yeah no
I said the person I responded to was being rude to the person they responded to
It’s possible to disagree on a subject without implying the person you disagree with is a dumb child.
I apologise. It was elucubra who said “yeah no” and not you.
But what if they are a woman…?
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whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night.
I do not get any better or worse sleep by telling you you’re rude. You may be under the delusion you are responding to someone else.
Scanning the article, the practical threat (besides crazy ideological stunts) seems to be stealth disenfranchisement of this type:
House Republicans passed a bill (which stalled in the Senate) this session to require citizens to have a passport or birth certificate matching their name to vote. This would be a back-door ban on voting for any woman who took her husband’s last name and doesn’t have a passport, an estimated 69 million women. It would also disproportionately affect Republican women, who are more likely to be married, more likely to have changed their name and less likely to have a passport.
It won’t affect republican women because the people running those voting stations won’t enforce the rule for “their own”.
Dam I never thought about it
A passport always contains the current last name. If you took on a new one you have to get a new one issued. That’s standard pretty much all over the world.
Edit: Ok, a lot of users wrote that there’s no ID card/paper that’s common in other parts of the world. In my country a driver license is not enough to prove my identity because it’s not an ID card.
Guess you are fucked then.
Birth certificates can’t be changed and need to match, and that’s one of the forms of ID listed.
Passports aren’t free, and not everyone has one to begin with. This blatantly stonewalls women, especially underprivileged women.
No one in my family has a passport. So with this law only the men could vote, unless they spend the money to get a passport despite not aiming to travel.
Americans are pretty weird about their ID things.
Other than a driver’s license, most of them don’t have any ID.
They don’t have any sort of unique ID number either. They have a social security number, which is not guaranteed to be unique. Two people can have the same SSN. One person can have two SSNs. You’re apparently supposed to keep your SSN secret, but they’re assigned somewhat sequentially and they get leaked a lot. It’s a clusterfuck.
SSNs are guaranteed to be unique upon assignment. The problem is that so many leaks have happened that nearly everyone’s has been stolen and is being used in some type of financial identity theft. The thieves are the people with two (or more) SSNs.
The sad thing is this is kinda solved in the advertising space. Like, they know who I am, uniquely, including emails, phone numbers, and drivers license. The data is available, but banks (the primary users of the SSN) are perpetually stuck with 30yo tech.
It is supposed to to keep your SSN secret and not carry the card with you everywhere but you have to memorize it and everyone and their dog is gonna ask for it. It is kinda scary how many times you have to give it out to random people over the phone or email.
SSN is about the worst identifier, but they have revamped the process to remove some of those issues. It should no longer be possible for people to be issued the same number, and they’re no longer sequential or assigned in geographic blocks.
Doesn’t change the existing ones, but going forward.
Most citizens in the divided states of southern north america do not have a passport though. And a birth certificate doesn’t have your current last name on it if you took someone else’s in marriage. That’s the point.
you have to get a new one issued
This is the part that’s mistaken: you don’t need a passport if you don’t travel to foreign lands. As far as I know, Americans usually prove their identity using a driver’s license, rarely using a passport.
For the believers, I think that tmany would be fine with this. It reinforces their preferred structure of a patriarchy in which they have a well-defined place and role (head of the domestic household, subservient to the man). No worries about having to deal with a fickle job market or figuring out what you want to do with your life. Your life path is set (get married, raise kids, take care of family), and, for some, that well-defined role the status that it conveys is really comforting. It provides a sense of security.
It’s why, I expect, while there are many who fight it, there are plenty of women in Muslim societies who are fine with things as they are. We emphasize with those women who chafe at that and fight it since we’ve history valued the individual rights of self-determination and freedom, of course.
Thats a big allure of the American taliban to some folks. It provides structure and defined roles in a chaotic world.
Of course, republican men like it for the power, but more importantly, that women voters mostly vote against them. Stopping women from voting would cement them in power.
Republican women: dehumanizing themselves to pwn the libs since Reagan.
Project 2025 will create the Christian Taliban. I highly doubt the dumb fuck female MAGA voters will realize what they voted for.
Some of them want to be subservient. I’ve heard some even lament voting before. The Christian brainwashing is pervasive to all parts of life.
Some of them are stupid enough to want it.
Under his eye
Eyeliner
My prediction for a future military incel recruitment poster:
Join the America Russia North Korea (ARNK) alliance in our war against the WOKE DEI Euro Chinese Soros COMMUNIST SCOURGE and you will be guaranteed a VIRGIN wife! ENLIST TODAY!
Shorten it to just ARK and it will be even more on the nose with a biblical reference!
Considering that if the US started to support NK against South Korea, I don’t think it is inconceivable that they would become just one Korea. (By North overrunning South)
Heinlein couldn’t have written it better.
I can’t help but think of how this cartoon from the beginning of November got it completely backward
Eh not really getting the idea across:
looking for this?
Damn dude. I applaud your effort for a quick laugh…well, not laugh, per se.
Thank you I absolutely love Photoshop battles this was like 90 seconds in Gimp.
I would have preferred to have folded the uniforms, tucked them under their arms and gotten rid of some of the white space in the upper right but time makes fools of us all.
It’s kind of unfortunate the community never took off over here.
Man I’d love to see Photoshop battles make a comeback on Lemmy. Seems like the perfect sized community for it.
Ah yes, that sends the right mix of feelings.
Imagine how little self-respect you’d have to have to be a woman and vote Republican.
Not a USA citizen, but a Hungarian, but I think some stuff still holds ground in the USA ground: They primarily think these right-wing radicals are just “jolly little conservatives”, and not radicals, since they call themselves “conservatives”. Contrary to the naive liberal belief, conservatism isn’t just a jolly little belief of personally held traditions and healthy patriotism, it’s just “fascism lite” which will turn full-out fascism once the checks and balances are removed, or getting extremely frustrated with social change.
And also there’s the whole “you will get more conservative as you get older” propaganda, which makes a lot of young people “skip the liberalism and fast-forward to the inevitable”, and they either want to remain conservatives because “jolly little belief of personally held traditions and healthy patriotism”, or they believe they can’t leave. Many also go down the hate road, and they’ll get called all kinds of names if they forgive wrongdoers who were part of a minority, and they don’t weaponize that wrongdoing into genocidal thoughts. We seriously need to counter this whole “you will get more conservative as you get older” with something. Can someone contact Innuendo Studios? I have an idea for an episode of “The Alt-Right Playbook” if he still haven’t made one on this topic.
Making sure that women have very little self-respect is one of the primary functions of American Evangelicalism.
Well surely it was never going to affect them. They are one of the good ones, it’s the others that need to be controlled. Why would they ever come for me if I am living a proper God fearing life?
They unironically think Harris was some kind of monster and that it was all worth it to keep trans out of sports.
Well, if we stopped babying women and treated them like adults, then maybe this would seem more farfetched.
Unfortunately, most women think being treated as an adult is being “unfair” to them because they’re so used to being treated like children.
What in the actual fuck are you talking about
I can tell you’re upset because I said truths you don’t like.
“Truths”, bro get your misogyny out of here.
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Yeah, the longer we go without acknowledging it, the more you prove my point.
No, I already acknowledged that you’re a misogynist.
Still proving my point.
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What if wanting to believe that there is some nice place that good people go when they die, leads people to support the mass murder and immiseration of countless women, children, queer people and BIPOC?
Religion is, and probably always has been a means of control. That’s not to say that it is that at every level, or that it’s only that. Religion is designed to bring you comfort and assistance in your times of need, while charging you a fee for the service. The business has to run, the staff and bills have to be paid, the top officers need to be fabulously wealthy. Not all religions are against Women, Children, BIPOC, and LGBTQ, but if you’re trying to exert control, they make easy scapegoats. White men make all the money, Let us hold down all these minorities so you can smother them to make yourself feel better, now pay us.
One of my friends attends and assists with a great little church. It’s a small, modest community church. The pastor is gay, and drag queens come to read stories occasionally. The place is just kept up with. They’re not squeezing 30% out of the community. I’m not one for church, but I approve of what they’re doing wholly.
Religion takes the best parts of human nature, and convinces people that these things come from some big other, who is always watching and judging us. It turns us inside out, and the world upside down. I don’t get mad at god or judge people for being religious but anything that convinces good people that they are fundamentally evil is itself the opposite of goodness.
It is absolutely a method of control, its no coincidence that the emergence of basically all the major religions coincides with the rise of class domination.
“With or without religion, good people would do good and bad people would do evil. But to make good people do evil takes religion.”
I don’t get mad at god
Right, because it would be like getting mad at Santa Claus.
I also try not to judge people simply for being religious, but it’s pretty damn hard when it’s the direct cause of their affirmative stance on things like anti-vax, anti-abortion, anti-contraception, anti-science etc.
Of course there are people with those stances who aren’t religious at all too, but they do seem to be in the minority.
I know a couple people who swear that religion turned their life around. I swear they’re the nicest most pleasant people I know. They claim that when they were teenagers they were consistently stealing things and breaking into places and it wasn’t until they found God that they stopped.
The one guy was a little more analytical than the other guy. He looked me dead in the eye and said I don’t know that God is up there watching, But I do know that in the time when I needed somebody to be watching, I felt he was and I made better decisions.
Now, I think that this is an outlier case but I’m apprehensive to just completely discount religion even though I know in all cases it’s control. A lot of churches do have reasonable positive outreach for the money. Of course for each one of those you’ve got another church out there really everybody for 30% in no matter what their situation is.
I really understand that it is a nuanced issue, people are extremely intricate and surprising creatures. People have a way of taking the worst circumstances and making them wonderful. If a little God makes your life better, fucking go for it. My granddad, one of the sweetest most caring men I ever met, his final words were, “God in heaven…” And then He passed. At which point it doesn’t matter if heaven is a “real” place, it is real because it is real to people who believe in it. On the other hand, many atheists are insufferable and just as ignorant and entrenched in their negative belief as the worst religious people can be. I’ve studied religions and was deeply Catholic until I was about 30, so like 15 years ago. I love to discuss theology. Personally I read the Tao te Ching and it helps me connect with my spirit, and I want others to have that, whether it comes from religion or music or just other people.
But the parts that are a mechanism of control are just too ingrained into it. I believe in freedom and human self-creation. If religion helps you accomplish that, go for it: praise Jesus, God is Great. But if it doesn’t, then to the extent that it actively prohibits this then it is to that extent that I oppose it. Sometimes its a little, sometimes its a lot.
Religion also conditions you to out source your moral judgements. This allows someone to use their authority to convince people of immoral things.
Very well said
Totally agree, but why is your username the noise made by my old 28.8k modem?
This isn’t a leaopards eating faces thing for republican women. These women derive social, economic, and political benefits through their association with the men who hold power in our patriarchal system. By aligning with backwards gender roles or evil ideologies, they feel protected and valued within the system even as it restricts their autonomy. They know what they’re doing.
I read years ago that white republican women will put up with being treated as lesser in their circles in order to treat others as lesser. So they’re fine with being spoken down to and shuffled aside so they can feel free to yell at minorities.
They do, but there is an assumption that the relationship between women like that and the wealthy ruling class men they attach themselves to is reciprocal. It, of course, is not.
Take the woman who has a child by Elon Musk. Her and Musk had a romantic getaway and brief liason. She clearly wasn’t upset at being pregnant by him. There was an assumption that she’d be cared for. Even if not directly, indirectly. She definitely did not anticipate that she would actually be confined to an apartment 24 hours a day, entirely neglected without any contact from the father of her child. Nor that she’d be left with a child to raise on her own, and no support either financial or emotional or in terms of literal labor.
Call her ignorant and bigoted, both are valid criticisms. But she absolutely was not anticipating this outcome. There is a presumption from conservative/fascist women that they occupy a position of hierarchy over non-fascist/non-conservative women. That by virtue of supporting fascism and patriarchy that fascist men will afford them personhood. They don’t believe in any of the assertions of feminism. They instead believe that women who suffer at the hands of men simply deserve it. That all women are judged in some kind of meritocracy, where belief in fascism and support of fascists itself is a determining factor of merit.
They are infuriatingly wrong. But do not be so quick to mischaracterize all conservative/fascist women as knowingly participating in the elimination of their own rights. They are systematically indoctrinated. Inexcusably, I will add. There is no justification for supporting fascists, no justification for supporting violence against women. To combat the ideology they espouse it is crucial to understand not just what they say but what they think.
They believe, it’s a woman’s fault if she gets raped. Wrong clothes, wrong place to be, wrong friends, wrong man, wrong. Why do they believe this? Control. If it’s the woman’s fault, then it is preventable, she only needs to do the right thing. And now apply this to a greater scheme. It’s a woman’s responsibility how men are treating her, not by voting or being successful in her job or god forbid being a politician, no, just by modesty and pleasing her husband. And if a woman still gets hurt, well, she probably wasn’t modest enough. So getting extremer is the answer. That’s how they are thinking.
There is a presumption from conservative/fascist women that they occupy a position of hierarchy over non-fascist/non-conservative women. That by virtue of supporting fascism and patriarchy that fascist men will afford them personhood. They don’t believe in any of the assertions of feminism. They instead believe that women who suffer at the hands of men simply deserve it. That all women are judged in some kind of meritocracy, where belief in fascism and support of fascists itself is a determining factor of merit.
This may be true for some women, maybe in the “tradwife” and white supremacist circles. But if, as you say, it’s critical to understand what these women think, you have to understand that they are not a monolith. There are other motivations to consider.
I was raised in a fundamentalist, evangelical church. Within that community, there was no presumption of a hierarchical position over other women. There was only our god-given position to be subservient to our fathers, and later, our husbands. We could either obey the divine plan to someday reach heaven or disobey it and be resigned to hell. There was no in-between.
Now, a reasonable person would see this as patently ridiculous. But the problem is that reason has no place in this worldview. You doggedly follow a literal interpretation of the King James Bible, or you go to hell.
Many years ago, when I was 16, I had asked for a particular privilege. And my mother agreed to grant it if I would listen to some audio tapes that she had of a series of sermons from a woman. Now, that was unusual in itself, because women are not allowed to teach men within fundamentalist churches (Because The Bible Says So™). So this was definitely a teaching that was only meant for women. What I heard was horrifying.
The entire point of this sermon series was to teach women how to be good, submissive Christian wives. The lesson of one tape was literally that if your husband commanded you to commit murder, you would have to do it, because God put him in charge of you and your duty to God was simply to follow orders from your husband.
A woman would not be judged for breaking a commandment if she followed the direction of her husband. The husband would be punished for causing someone to break God’s commandments, but the wife would be spared because she was simply doing her duty as a wife to follow what her husband said.
Women’s agency is completely removed in this scenario. Which sounds exactly like what the men described in the article want.
Again, the problem here is that reason has no purchase in this worldview. No amount of evidence or argument is going to change their minds or magically give them a sense of agency.
I really appreciate you sharing your own experiences here, having experienced life in these fundamentalist communities. Youre right, there definitely is far more nuance to the beliefs of right-wing women than just “they feel and think X way.” For what it’s worth I’m sorry you went through that. I hope that you’re in a safer and happier place now.
It is bleak how little we can do for women who are fully indoctrinated into that worldview. They will push back against women’s rights every time. Liberation could possibly change some of their minds, but it’s impossible to predict. Deradicalization is not a task based in repeatability. It isn’t something we can do reliably. It depends entirely on the radicalized individual.
Can confirm, was also raised as a woman in a fundamentalist church. We didn’t stick just to the KJV, but then the pastor would turn around and preach out of LaHay’s Left Behind series too, soooooo.
When I was 17, I went to a youth christian convention, and during the main speaker, they had the thousands of teens and 20somes in the audience participate in a mass marriage to god. They said that god would provide a good husband for me.
Then I got raped and made the mistake of turning to the bible for comfort. The bible says that women who get raped in the city should be put to death, and women who get raped outside the city need to marry their rapist. Now, the text I read made it sound like it wasn’t really the location, but whether or not she screamed, and I had screamed, so I reasoned that I needed to marry the man instead of killing myself.
I am so sorry that happened to you and that the place where you turned for help just added to your trauma.
Well, good news is that I’ve been out of that fuggin cult for nearly 20 years now, and therapy has done so much more for me than religion ever has.
Damn, I saw the same kind of thing. Most of the non denominational churches are poisoning society for a sliver of power, if only over the women.
The wondrous simultaneity of having free will while being a product of the universe that created you.
When push comes to shove though, what do we do, remove a person’s agency and look at the environment, or allow them their agency and make them responsible for their choices?
I feel like answering this paradox is akin to reconciling quantum mechanics with general relativity.
They just want to sit at home during the day taking queludes and fucking the mailman.
I mean, to be fair, I wouldn’t mind fucking the mailman for some qualudes either.
