• A_A@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Could russ attend despite its crimes against humanity ?

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      10 months ago

      Signs point to no:

      “We are open to all countries that respect our sovereignty and territorial integrity at the peace summit, so draw conclusions about who we invite,” Zelenskyy said.

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        10 months ago

        Really? A Russian delegation is allowed to join? Doubt they would have anything remotely useful to contribute.

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    10 months ago

    Assuming an agreement is made, I hope Ukraine is allowed to join NATO at the expense of officially surrendering the occupied territory, including Crimea. It would be a huge win for Russia but at least Ukraine could get a security guarantee that’s worth a shit and that Russia wouldn’t break in a decade. I also hope the sanctions aren’t let up. Russia’s economy is doing excellent after all right? We would be doing them a favor by keeping the sanctions in place

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      10 months ago

      That would literally just be rewarding Russia and encouraging them to invade more sovereign nations.

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        10 months ago

        Yep. Ukraine leaves to rebuild a war torn country, Russia would spend that same time to rebuild their army just to try invading again… just like what they did between 2014 and 2022.

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          10 months ago

          Except they have not ever committed to military action against a member of NATO.

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          10 months ago

          Unfortunately, this is true.

          Unless Ukraine has the means to repel Russia themselves, losing territory to a stronger opponent while lacking diplomatic relations to back you up is just part of how the world works.

          If Ukraine really wants someone to blame, they can blame whoever kept them from joining NATO sooner.

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      Ukraine is extremely unlikely to accept a peace agreement that surrenders territory occupied after the start of the 2022 invasion.

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        10 months ago

        Yeah, they may not be taking much ground back, but they’re also not in danger of losing much external support yet, which is probably the only scenario where Zelenskiy would cave to Putin. From his comments, I’m guessing this is just a stalling tactic to help win back some eyes and ears.

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          10 months ago

          May not be a stalling tactic, but hammering out the framework for an eventual peace deal. These things can get quite… complex, in victory, stalemate, or defeat.

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      10 months ago

      Your statements appear wrong to me and to most people here, according to the votes. This, contrast with the fact that most (like you) do hope Ukraine will join NATO.

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        10 months ago

        Yeah, I mean obviously I want the aid to Ukraine to keep going but that’s not happening to the extent that it needs to. Unless Ukraine completely repels Russia from its land, they’re not going to get to make any meaningful peace agreement with Putin. It’s just so frustrating that we aren’t sending them what they need. It always arrives in too little quantity and far too late.

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        10 months ago
        1. No.
        2. Irrelevant.

        Ukraine is the centre of what was the USSR’s military-industrial complex, their engineers brought the USSR to space, heck they’re bringing the ESA to space (Vega uses Ukrainian engines). They’re currently demonstrating that they’re fierce and creative fighters.

        And even if that all was not the case: So what. Albania isn’t exactly a military powerhouse. Their geographic position isn’t strategically important, either. Do you propose to kick them out?

      • 100_percent_a_bot@lemmy.world
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        10 months ago

        Ukrainians destroyed more Russian equipment than all nato countries combined, how are they even close to useless?