Illegal orders. Any marine who follows them should be held accountable. As we found out after WWII, “I was just following orders” is no excuse. I’m ex-military. They drilled down HARD on not following Illegal orders.
Military should be storming the fucking white house about now, not LA…
The only acceptable rule is DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
“There’s a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.”
-William Adama, Battlestar Galactica-
They should refuse their orders and arrest Trump et all.
Tiananmen square LA.
Because there’s no collateral damage too great when it comes to oppressing the fight against tyranny. Just wipe the event from history, act like nothing happened. Dehumanize the opposition and slaughter them like pigs, kill press freedom to control the narrative.
It gets real dangerous if the National Guard unit hesitates or refuses to take a shooting order and the Marines are ordered to respond to that as mutiny.
That’s how it’d be an equivalent flashpoint for violence I think.
The Pentagon was scrambling Monday to establish rules to guide U.S. Marines who could be faced with the rare and difficult prospect of using force against citizens on American soil[…]
What the fuck timeline is this shit. The rule is that you can’t do that you absolute glue sniffers. I know this sub demands civility but this is truly madness.
“No statutory authority Trump has invoked so far permits this.”
Right, because this is newborn fascist shithole.
Probably time to buy a gun. We’re already seeing ICE copycat criminals kidnapping people. nobody can verify if they’re real or not.
They’re trying to create chaos and its absolutely working because they own the media and are just cherry picking it for propaganda.
They’ll probably murder a bunch of people with marines and fox news will say it was terrorists. putin seized power after a false flag bombing on an apartment complex in 1999 and as we’ve seen every accusation is a confession with these trump death cultists.
Any time military comes in contact with civilians there is the possibility that force will be required. If protesters become violent towards soldiers, (not something I’m saying is likely) then soldiers will have to respond.
The rules you are referring to prohibit the military from getting involved in law enforcement (essentially arrests). They can still participate in peacekeeping, and peacekeeping (somewhat ironically) always involves the possiblity of violence.
I think it’s important for protesters to be aware of the actual rules the police and military are obliged to follow. There is a lot of incorrect information going around.
This is based on the administration acting in good faith, and this isn’t military deployed on foreign soil as is the case for typical peacekeeping. This is an at-home escalation, knowing force is going to be used against US Citizens by its own military. It’s extremely irresponsible at best and unusual enough that the Pentagon is scrambling to understand how to even address the situation.
Make no mistake, use of force on US citizens by the military is the predictable and intended outcome of the deployment. I don’t believe this is a good faith peacekeeping mission. This angle strikes me as saying that there are inherent risks to being shot. Of course, the effect of being shot was the intention of firing the shot.
Everything you said about the administration is spot on. I just don’t think it will work the way they want it to. I think the administration isn’t holding the tool they think they’re holding.
This is why you don’t deploy military in your own country.
Good advice.
Their is no reason for the military to be used in the USA against its own citizens.
The police is already heavily militarized.
And yet it’s somehow not enough in this case.
They should storm the Capitol, somehow that’s totally accepted. No need for the military. Just poop on someone’s desk and you’ll get a pardon.
I have a sinking suspicion the Washington parade is an excuse to bring in a permanent military force to prevent anything like the January 6th events from happening again.
What do you mean? Yes there is, USA is now a fascist shithole that has started attacking its citizens for not agreeing with its fascist leader.
I’m travelling there to get an MRI in a bit over a week, and I’ll only be 20 minutes away from the border but it’s still pretty scary the idea of actually going to USA currently. I used to enjoy visiting USA, damn.
Good luck with have positive results/speedy recovery.
I’ve seen that move. So next is to lock down the city, establish holding camps and go door by door to root out all “undesirables” for deportation.
Posse Comitatus Act
We are ripping that up too it seems.
If they start shooting protesters then our second amendment right and duty to fucking shoot back.
How are you even supposed to know if they are government agents when ICE is going around in plain clothes with no identification or warrants?
All that does practically is prevent them from making arrests. It does not prevent them from deploying on US soil, or using force against civilians.
No posse comitatus, no obeying unconstitutional orders.
But the average service member stationed in the states is far better trained and (as insane as it sounds) less trigger happy than the paramilitary LAPD have proven to be.
If they follow the actual military rules of engagement, they’ll be doing less damage than the police already are.
I’m not holding my breath, but I hope our military is as patriotic as the South Koreans were when martial law was declared last year.
I was going to say something like this. I would rather my protest be surrounded by Marines from 29 palms then the LAPD. I’m a bit biased for being a veteran myself, but I trust cops a lot less. Not that the military can’t do any wrong.
If this timeline is crazy enough, I can see marines giving a warning shot over LAPD heads when they start doing funny things.
That’s the thing - infantry don’t do warning shots. When they pull the trigger, they’re only supposed to do so as an absolute last resort, with the express intent to stop the target. That’s what proper rules of engagement are.
But a Marine in bargain-bin decade-old hardware will absolutely walk straight up the barrel of a “less-lethal” loaded rifle and physically manhandle the cop in luxury fascist tech who thinks <40 hours of range time means they’re ready for combat.
But a Marine in bargain-bin decade-old hardware will absolutely walk straight up the barrel of a “less-lethal” loaded rifle and physically manhandle the cop in luxury fascist tech who thinks <40 hours of range time means they’re ready for combat.
You’re letting your fantasies escape through your skull holes, comrade. The military is going to point their guns, just as the cops next to them will be, at the people protesting the kidnapping of their neighbors by the gestapo.
I’m not holding my breath, but I hope our military is as patriotic as the South Koreans were when martial law was declared last year.
I’m not fantasizing about anything. I’m not expecting them to actually do the right thing, I just hope they do. We’re in unprecedented territory here. This could turn into another South Korea, or it could be another Boston Massacre. Only time will tell.
But in the hypothetical context of marine vs cop as suggested in the comment I was responding to, marine wins.
If the rules say anything more than “no use of force”, then it’s too much.
If it says more that “do not deploy” it’s too much.
No military force will ever be deployed anywhere with that restriction. They could be delivering food and medicine to an orphanage, and they would still be prepared to respond to any aggression.
According to a U.S. official, troops will be armed with their normal service weapons but will not be carrying tear gas. They also will have protective equipment such as helmets, shields and gas masks.
Oh good… Glad it’s just normal guns. Wouldn’t want anyone to get hurt by tear gas…
Reputable military never use tear gas, etc. It’s a chemical weapon, and hard to distinguish from lethal ones. So it would invite a Sarin/GB/VX response from enemy, which they don’t want.
Does anyone remember the message from “A Few Good Men”?
“We were supposed to fight for the people who couldn’t fight for themselves.”
“Possible”, my ass.
