NACS is an open standard. Tesla could fold tomorrow and it would still be a good idea for the other manufacturers to switch to it so we don’t have multiple competing plug standards in this country.
Is it really so? The specs are open, and Tesla has been permissive about letting other companies use their patents, but what would happen if they changed their minds?
If anything, it was a major coup by Tesla to make their plug the standard when they have the largest existing charging network for that plug. Now they’re in a position of letting other networks catch up.
This decision is bafflingly stupid. Is firing people the only way Musk can get hard anymore?
I didn’t really follow. Because the way it happened was, Tesla can make money from it’s charging stations and other OEMs get a robust charging network.
My point is that even if nacs is open, it is a monopoly. Tomorrow Tesla decides to ask 100$ per month to access the network and you can’t go somewhere else. In EU the mandatory plug is the same for everyone and Tesla chargers must have ccs2 and Tesla cars must have ccs2…
I understand that. But building chargers using their ports is an option and will be something that happens. It just answers the customers of other OEMs of whether to charge their cars now.
And even if Tesla controls a significant portion of the charging infrastructure now there’ll be others that build chargers with that standard with time.
And I’m sure there was some closed door agreement they came up with on pricing
Dude it’s how many years of “electrify America” project that is supposedly supported by the biggest car manufacturer and the network is terrible. Nobody will go compete with nacs because Tesla has the market penetration and it’s ubiquitous. I guess the mon-tesla will change the plugs on some select locations and that’s it. But we’ll see how it goes with the supercharger network after musk fired the entire team…
Short term, they dramatically increased access to credible fast charging.
Longer term, near as I can tell, third party NACS fast charging will commence. So while this may be a disaster for Tesla and the Tesla charging network per se, long term it has room for another company to come along and displace Tesla.
If such a company were looking for a team to drive such an initiative, it seems we all know where to find one now…
NACS is essentially CCS in a Tesla plug, so the only reason there isn’t any yet is that nobody has made the switch yet - any CCS charger could be converted by just swapping the plug.
But it also means passive adapters work and are cheap, so there’s no hurry really.
Honestly, EV-Go or Electrify America building NACS chargers isn’t going to fix anything. The plug isn’t what makes the Supercharger network appealing, it’s the fact they ensure the stations are ubiquitous, fully functional, and the payment is seamless. If he’s throwing out the team that is making sure those things continue to be true, the charging problem is only going to get worse.
I hope that’s a wakeup call to all the other automakers who announced plans to switch from CCS to NAC"S"
Big fucking mistake basing future plans on that company
NACS is an open standard. Tesla could fold tomorrow and it would still be a good idea for the other manufacturers to switch to it so we don’t have multiple competing plug standards in this country.
Is it really so? The specs are open, and Tesla has been permissive about letting other companies use their patents, but what would happen if they changed their minds?
nothing, it’s an open standard now: SAE J3400
Why does it matter? The standard is now open and can be used by everyone. It’s just like CCS now from a usability pov but with many more chargers
If anything, it was a major coup by Tesla to make their plug the standard when they have the largest existing charging network for that plug. Now they’re in a position of letting other networks catch up.
This decision is bafflingly stupid. Is firing people the only way Musk can get hard anymore?
I didn’t really follow. Because the way it happened was, Tesla can make money from it’s charging stations and other OEMs get a robust charging network.
How robust it’ll be by the time other cars get access is now rather questionable with this firing spree
It’s a headstart for a robust charging network while other charging station companies build more to catch up
How many non-tesla nacs charges are there?
How many ccs chargers are there compared to nas? That’s the question that matters to GM Ford and other automakers
My point is that even if nacs is open, it is a monopoly. Tomorrow Tesla decides to ask 100$ per month to access the network and you can’t go somewhere else. In EU the mandatory plug is the same for everyone and Tesla chargers must have ccs2 and Tesla cars must have ccs2…
I understand that. But building chargers using their ports is an option and will be something that happens. It just answers the customers of other OEMs of whether to charge their cars now. And even if Tesla controls a significant portion of the charging infrastructure now there’ll be others that build chargers with that standard with time. And I’m sure there was some closed door agreement they came up with on pricing
Dude it’s how many years of “electrify America” project that is supposedly supported by the biggest car manufacturer and the network is terrible. Nobody will go compete with nacs because Tesla has the market penetration and it’s ubiquitous. I guess the mon-tesla will change the plugs on some select locations and that’s it. But we’ll see how it goes with the supercharger network after musk fired the entire team…
Well, not necessarily.
Short term, they dramatically increased access to credible fast charging.
Longer term, near as I can tell, third party NACS fast charging will commence. So while this may be a disaster for Tesla and the Tesla charging network per se, long term it has room for another company to come along and displace Tesla.
If such a company were looking for a team to drive such an initiative, it seems we all know where to find one now…
NACS is essentially CCS in a Tesla plug, so the only reason there isn’t any yet is that nobody has made the switch yet - any CCS charger could be converted by just swapping the plug.
But it also means passive adapters work and are cheap, so there’s no hurry really.
Honestly, EV-Go or Electrify America building NACS chargers isn’t going to fix anything. The plug isn’t what makes the Supercharger network appealing, it’s the fact they ensure the stations are ubiquitous, fully functional, and the payment is seamless. If he’s throwing out the team that is making sure those things continue to be true, the charging problem is only going to get worse.
Wrong. Educate yourself and try again.