• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    “Some”…

    All they have to do is leave the area their ancestors have lived in for thousands of years so random Europeans who converted to Judaism a couple years ago can seize it.

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      7 months ago

      First of all, a whole lot of people have done that very thing for a better life.

      Secondly, those Jews have been there as long as Arabs have.

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        7 months ago

        First of all, a whole lot of people have done that very thing for a better life

        So do you think Ukranians should leave and let Russia have their land?

        Secondly, those Jews have been there as long as Arabs have.

        Factually untrue.

        The only reason Israel was created was Europeans countries still wanted to get rid of their Jewish populations.

        So they sent them to the Middle East and told the people living there to GTFO.

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        Also while nouns are used for ethnicity, adjectives are appropriate for things like religion.

        If they were Arabs, then they’re from that area.

        They may be Jewish as well. But saying anyone that’s Jewish is from the Middle East just isn’t logical.

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            7 months ago

            There are Ukrainians in the US.

            And there are Israelis here too… I know a couple that escaped after being forced into the IDF.

            Where did the word Judah come from and where is it?

            By your logic every human alive has a claim to Africa and can go there and genocide their incredibly distant cousins because Africa is rightfully theirs…

            You’re talking about stuff from thousands of years ago. Israel the country has existed for less time than the current US president has been alive. Who cares about a different ancient kingdom?

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              Israel the country has existed for less time than the current US president has beenant alive

              If you want to start in 1948, that’s when Palestine was created too.

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                  7 months ago

                  The UN created Isreal as well as Palestine. Yes, there were Arabs in the area all along. The jews were there 3,000 years ago but were forced off by the Romans. TheBrits simply held the territory after WWII.

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                    7 months ago

                    So…

                    That was 2,000 years ago…

                    Should the royal family of England also return England to it’s natives?

                    Should they return America to the Native Americans?

                    They didn’t seem to agree with the Irish when they wanted to kick the English out of Ireland.

                    Why stop at 3,000 years ago?

                    Why not return it to the descendants of the first hominids that set foot there? Modern Asians had to cross thru first to get to Asia, and some went all the way to the Americas.

                    Should we give Native Americans Israel and call it a day? Sure, they left, but by your logic that doesn’t matter

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      so random Europeans who converted to Judaism a couple years ago can seize it.

      Fucking what

      EDIT: Love that I’m getting downvoted for being appalled by the “They aren’t REAL Jews” rhetoric here. Stay classy. Maybe if you embrace enough antisemitism, you’ll stop the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people.

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        There’s this notion that modern Israelis are essentially just Europeans who invaded after WWII, which is simply not true.

        While the Zionist movement largely did originate in Europe in the late 1800s, the majority of Israeli citizens today are not of European ancestry / Ashkenazi. The majority are what’s called Mizrahi, coming from Middle Eastern Jewish communities that were forcibly expelled from Arab countries during the 50s and 60s. For instance, Ben Gvir, the current Minister of Defense (and to be clear, a complete little shit), is from an Iraqi family. In 1948, there were roughly 150,000 Jews in Iraq, making up nearly 40% of the population of Baghdad. Today, there are estimated to be less than five. Likewise, in Yemen, there were roughly 50,000 Jews, maintaining a presence that goes back well over 2500 years. Today, there may be one single Jew left in the country. The same situation happened all throughout the Arab world. The departing Jews generally had to flee their homes without any significant belongings, since their property was often confiscated. In Syria, for instance, a 1964 decree prevented Jews from traveling more than 3 miles from their homes, banned them from owning land, banned them from working in the government or in banks, banned them from leaving anything as inheritance - which would instead be seized by the state.

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        This person thinks that because the Jews who emigrated to Israel after the Holocaust were from Europe, their grandchildren who were born in Israel are somehow not deserving of living where they were born and should “go back where they came from”. It’s the same old dog whistle

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      Wow. So let me guess, you think every Israeli should vacate the middle east right? Even people who were born there, creating the same issue all over again. And let me guess, you don’t want the Arab or Muslim Israelis to leave right? Just “certain” ones