Maybe I’m ignorant, but by definition that seems non binary to me. Unless “non binary” no longer means non binary, and now it has some new trendy definition.
That’s not what non binary means. A drag queen is someone who cross dresses for performative reasons and identifies as a woman during such performances. A transgender person is someone who transitioned from one gender assigned at birth to the other. Non binary means they don’t feel like they fit perfectly in neither man nor women, but something in between, or even something variable.
Trans people can be non binary because NB is also a spectrum.
I don’t understand the question. You are what you feel, that’s what gender is, or rather how you perceive it. It seems like you’re implying that what you feel isn’t real, but correct me if I’m wrong. I am cis man because I was assigned male at birth and I feel like I’m a man.
I’m not trying to imply anything. I’ve just never had a feeling about my gender so I don’t really understand the concept. I was born a man, I present as a man, but I can’t say that I feel like a man, I just feel like me.
And just to clear this up, trans people can also be binary. Clarification necessary become some think that transgender is non-binary or transgender is “third gender”. Both are wrong.
Isn’t the idea of binary having two socially defined entities: man, woman. Having someone who defies either definition is non binary. Opposing the idea that you can only be one or the other.
Conchita dresses half way between man and woman. Dresses, skirts, long hair, make up, beard. Even the name Conchita Wurst is a wordplay for “vagina penis”.
The example of a male presenting as female or somewhere between those two seems within the exact definition of non binary.
Non binary means violating the binary. Drag is predicated on a binary existing. It plays with the idea of the binary. The point of drag is poking fun at the opposite gender. The opposite only exists because of the binary.
A trans person isn’t non-binary either. More importantly, a drag queen isn’t an identity. It’s someone who dresses like a woman as a joke. Conchita is a character, not the same as the person. If I get on stage and play Othello, am I now Othello? No, I played the character. That’s not me.
I think you cannot conflate the notion of binary existing with the personal identification as fitting into one of them or not fitting into them.
Like being gay doesn’t require to reject the notion of straight people existing. And as for violating the binary, feminine makeup and dresses with a long beard is a quite strong violation of those binary notions. Just having an androgynous look does not. There is plenty of “buff” women who fully identify as women just as there is very “feminine” men that fully identify as men.
I’m afraid I don’t understand what violating the binary means, and it still seems to me that presenting female with a beard does not fit what I thought the binary of gender was supposed to mean.
You can’t speculate about someone else’s identity. If Conchita identifies themselves as nonbinary, then they’re nonbinary. (I’ve never heard of this person, so I don’t know if they do or not.) Identifying as NB is like saying, “I see the two options that society is offering me, and neither of them neatly describe how I feel inside.” Some cultures refer to a nonbinary “third gender” while others see that as just creating another box to limit people’s options for how they identify and express themselves.
It’s okay if you think that drag queens could be referred to as NB, but they don’t fit the typical definition.
Maybe I’m ignorant, but by definition that seems non binary to me. Unless “non binary” no longer means non binary, and now it has some new trendy definition.
That’s not what non binary means. A drag queen is someone who cross dresses for performative reasons and identifies as a woman during such performances. A transgender person is someone who transitioned from one gender assigned at birth to the other. Non binary means they don’t feel like they fit perfectly in neither man nor women, but something in between, or even something variable.
Trans people can be non binary because NB is also a spectrum.
So being non binary is more of a feeling than a state?
I don’t understand the question. You are what you feel, that’s what gender is, or rather how you perceive it. It seems like you’re implying that what you feel isn’t real, but correct me if I’m wrong. I am cis man because I was assigned male at birth and I feel like I’m a man.
I’m not trying to imply anything. I’ve just never had a feeling about my gender so I don’t really understand the concept. I was born a man, I present as a man, but I can’t say that I feel like a man, I just feel like me.
And just to clear this up, trans people can also be binary. Clarification necessary become some think that transgender is non-binary or transgender is “third gender”. Both are wrong.
Ah yes, sorry if that wasn’t clear. You can be both trans and non binary.
I’m not following. Drag, basically by definition, requires a binary. That’s the entire point of drag
Isn’t the idea of binary having two socially defined entities: man, woman. Having someone who defies either definition is non binary. Opposing the idea that you can only be one or the other.
Conchita dresses half way between man and woman. Dresses, skirts, long hair, make up, beard. Even the name Conchita Wurst is a wordplay for “vagina penis”.
The example of a male presenting as female or somewhere between those two seems within the exact definition of non binary.
Non binary means violating the binary. Drag is predicated on a binary existing. It plays with the idea of the binary. The point of drag is poking fun at the opposite gender. The opposite only exists because of the binary.
A trans person isn’t non-binary either. More importantly, a drag queen isn’t an identity. It’s someone who dresses like a woman as a joke. Conchita is a character, not the same as the person. If I get on stage and play Othello, am I now Othello? No, I played the character. That’s not me.
I think you cannot conflate the notion of binary existing with the personal identification as fitting into one of them or not fitting into them.
Like being gay doesn’t require to reject the notion of straight people existing. And as for violating the binary, feminine makeup and dresses with a long beard is a quite strong violation of those binary notions. Just having an androgynous look does not. There is plenty of “buff” women who fully identify as women just as there is very “feminine” men that fully identify as men.
I’m afraid I don’t understand what violating the binary means, and it still seems to me that presenting female with a beard does not fit what I thought the binary of gender was supposed to mean.
You can’t speculate about someone else’s identity. If Conchita identifies themselves as nonbinary, then they’re nonbinary. (I’ve never heard of this person, so I don’t know if they do or not.) Identifying as NB is like saying, “I see the two options that society is offering me, and neither of them neatly describe how I feel inside.” Some cultures refer to a nonbinary “third gender” while others see that as just creating another box to limit people’s options for how they identify and express themselves.
It’s okay if you think that drag queens could be referred to as NB, but they don’t fit the typical definition.