Even if they do make it to court; how do they plan on translating an IP address into the ID of the actual infringer? (not the ISP subscriber, they can’t be assumed to be the same, particularly in court)
Just because I pay for my families internet connection doesn’t make me responsible, culpable, or even aware of their activities. Even less so now that I’m not going to receive any notice of potentially illicit activity.
If they could haul people into court based on just an IP and get somewhere useful, they’d have done it hundreds of thousands of times over already.
Dutch anti-piracy group BREIN
How sad do you have to be
imagine if they spent half as much time going after abusers or billionaire tax cheats as they do people who download game of thrones from seven years ago.
“injured rights holders”
🙄🙄🙄🙄🤮
Many copyright holders believe that if they’re able to communicate with pirates, a proportion will change their behavior.
Yes, they will probably be more careful next time
When the day comes that Brein starts sending notices to pirates, these pirates will just move to Newsgroups and VPNs.
Fuck this group with an engorged cactus. Pieces of shit.
I suspect this is not going to go well when they find poor people who torrent for the community and try to squeeze them for blood in the courts, or find that an academic server is used to seed in it’s idle time.
This figured into the cruel, heartless reputations of the MPA and RIAA that persist to this day.
Yeah, it says that they’re all “well we would have rather do it the other way for your sakes” but the fact is that if they thought they could reliably obtain money this way they’d be doing it already. A ton of legal fees are going to be wasted pursuing people they can’t catch for one reason or another, meaning that their desire to make the pirates pay their costs isn’t going to work as reliably as they’d want.
One thing I always find curious is these “rights holders” assuming a 100% sales conversion from piracy when, in reality, it’s probably closer to 1-10%
We really need to push for the use of i2p for torrenting. Given that the the offer of VPNs with port forwarding that are decent is little and decreasing every year.
This is for the Netherlands, but it’s about the anti-piracy group not allowing defeats in court on the basis of GDPR and ISP refusal get in the way of a good harassment.
Good read if you want higher blood pressure.
Use a VPN. Keep Sailing.
Use a multi hop VPN that doesn’t advertise next to raid shadow legends
BREIN. There’s an evil villain name if I ever saw one.
And that is why I don’t torrent, living in Germany. Even just leeching will put you on the radar of, at best scam law firms, at worst motivated rights-holders.
Can someone TL;DR the actual “worse” thing?
They will skip the notice via proxy (your ISP passing a notice to you without identifying you to the claimant) and go straight to court to have the ISP forced to provide the ID of the subscriber for a specific IP observed to be active torrenting copyrighted materials.
Then they’ll attempt to recover those court costs from that subscriber as well as sue them for the original copyright infringement.
I think they’ll have quite an uphill battle with that approach, particularly when trying to prove the subscriber to an internet connection is also responsible for, let alone aware of, the alleged infringement. If it was that easy, they wouldn’t have bothered with notices to begin with.
Yeah this happened during the Napster era and it was so incredibly unpopular and unsympathetic with the general public that it didn’t continue after a while. Suing a single mom on food stamps for thousands of dollars because her teenage son downloaded a game one time is a truly abominable look for a company.
I watched a thing about copyright and trademark enforcement where the corporate organization was somehow able to gather a team of 50 police at tax payer expense and march them into a Sunday market in order to capture and shut down market stores selling fake knockoffs. You could see how wildly unpopular it was with the entire crowd around them where some shoppers even continued browsing and trying to purchase goods from the shut down stores even with cops standing right there trying to make the crowd move on.
Copyright and trademark infringement against multi-billionare companies with continuous record profits is seen as a victimless “crime” at best by the vast majority of people, even reasonably well off people too. The only repercussion if you’re “caught” should be just paying the actual construction/reproduction cost of the item which is pennies, they weren’t going to make this sale at their ridiculous retail price in the first place and their real losses are miniscule at best.
that is the case in Australia, courts ruled only actual loss can be pursued (cost of a DVD basically) which made it uneconomical for IP holders to sue individuals. they still messa round the edges and tried to get the government to ban access to pirate sites (easy to bypass)
