• Telorand@reddthat.com
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    10 months ago

    “But what I will say, too, though, is I think everybody should vote for Joe Biden if they want our democracy to survive,” she added.

    Cue the people who want to clutch their pearls like, “BuT I DoN’t WaNt ThIs DeMoCrAcY tO sUrViVe!” as if they have an alternative option that isn’t a Trump-fueled fascist dystopia.

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      as if they have an alternative option that isn’t a Trump-fueled fascist dystopia

      As if the democrats don’t lead to the same end result, only slower and more “politely”…

      https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/22/american-democracy-was-never-designed-to-be-democratic-eric-holder-our-unfinished-march-nick-seabrook-one-person-one-vote-jacob-grumbach-laboratories-against-democracy

      https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/

      https://truthout.org/articles/fascism-is-possible-not-in-spite-of-liberal-capitalism-but-because-of-it/

      https://nyanarchist.wordpress.com/2019/01/23/scratch-a-liberal-a-fascist-bleeds-how-the-so-called-middle-class-has-enabled-oppression-for-centuries/

      Also, you not being comfortable, or even able, to think outside of the existing (and completely artificial) constructs we’re forced to live under, doesn’t mean other options don’t exist, only that you haven’t bothered looking for them.

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          His sources are pretty mid, but he’s right. A lot of people who like to trash Trump for yelling about election fraud also seem to forget democrats have done the same thing in the past.

          Also, the whole “both sides are the same is bullshit” tagline is very Reddit. Doesn’t work as well here, where conservatives aren’t systematically banned for not agreeing with the hivemind.

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            Except Horseshoe Theory is hot garbage. “Both Sides” is what lazy people come up with. That’s like saying hot and cold are practically the same, because they are both temperatures.

            https://theconversation.com/horseshoe-theory-is-nonsense-the-far-right-and-far-left-have-little-in-common-77588

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory#Academic_studies_and_criticism

            Fuck off with your victimization complex, and go educate yourself.

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                And remember when they kept claiming election fraud long after they lost, and brought 60+ lawsuits, and called Secretaries of State to “find me X votes,”, and tried to get the vice president to decertify peoples votes, and tried to send fake Electors to vote for them, and planned to use the Insurrection Act to stay in power?

                But please, go off about how they’re fundamentally the same.

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                  when they kept claiming election fraud long after they lost

                  Which is also in the video I provided.

                  brought 60+ lawsuits

                  The Democratic Party itself sued Trump claiming his election was illegitimate.

                  called Secretaries of State to “find me X votes,”

                  So a recount, lol.

                  tried to get the vice president to decertify peoples votes

                  Democrats did the same thing for Trump — it’s literally within the first two minutes of the video that you apparently neglected to watch.

                  tried to send fake Electors to vote for them

                  Democrats tried to get republican electors to reject their oath and vote against the actual election results — very democratic, right?

                  planned to use the Insurrection Act to stay in power

                  Which they didn’t, lmfao.

                  So yeah, as to the issue of complaining about election fraud, they are fundamentally the same. Got any more areas that you want me to remind you of the democratic equivalent for, or would you prefer to actually watch the primary source that you pretty blatantly disregarded before posting all that?

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            Trump and Democrats have done the same thing???

            Get the fuck right out of here.

            There is no room for this kind of false equivocation in any honest conversation. You’re parroting sheer --and dangerous– propaganda. Take that back to Russia or wherever pays you 10 cents to post it.

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              I mean, yeah. I gave you a primary source of a plethora of prominent democrats, including the current president and vice president, claiming election fraud when Trump was first elected.

              I’m guessing your overly abundant use of question marks and italics, as well as lack of any sort of substantive retort other than claiming propaganda, is related to your cognitive dissonance. I’m sorry this doesn’t fit your world view.

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                That’s not what a “primary source” is. Links to websites are not primary sources. This is pretty basic stuff.

                No, my abundant use of question marks and italics was to emphasize just how stupid and dishonest what you wrote was. You’re a dishonest propagandist and you are making the world a worse place. Be better than that.

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                  Oof, you’re really gonna hate that the definition of a primary source includes videos. Pretty basic stuff.

                  Might wanna consider applying that “stupid and dishonest propaganda” tagline to your comment. Seethe some more sweetie.

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        As if the democrats don’t lead to the same end result, only slower and more “politely”…

        Can you say, “Slippery Slope Fallacy?”

        …doesn’t mean other options don’t exist, only that you haven’t bothered looking for them.

        Go learn what a FPTP System is.

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        Even if that were the case, which it’s clearly not, wouldn’t it be better to move slowly towards full-on fascism than speed run it?

        What is with all the both-sidesing and accelerationism on here in the last few weeks? Some of you all are either too young or too privileged to remember what living under Trump was really like, and he’s been abundantly clear that his next term will be far worse.

        You won’t find very many enthusiastic Biden supporters, but I’d much rather have four more years of this than four-plus more years of Trump with a grudge and nothing left to lose.

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          What is with all the both-sidesing and accelerationism on here in the last few weeks?

          Lotta Libertarian “Centrists” who think they’re smart and that they have a choice. They think they will be able to die on the single-issue-hill of Biden’s policy stance on Israel and still retain the ability to vote in five years.

          Fortunately, as evidenced by most of the comments here, they’re still squarely in the minority, and I’ll never stop pointing out how bad their arguments are.

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      So what you are saying is that Donald J Trump is going to come to the rescue of the oppressed Muslim people of Palestine? The same Trump whose Middle East peace plan was formulated by his Jewish son-in-law and basically said “give Israel what they want, and everything will be fine”?

      Gotcha.

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        Not at all. He will be even worse. By a long shoot. I still don’t see that as an argument for anything

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      Imagine being unable to understand why people would vote against Donald Trump…

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      Because they’d rather not live under a fascist dictator? Did you read the article?