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    His hands are VERY TIED unless of course he decides whatever he does is Official Presidential Actions!

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      If being in contact with the DOJ and VP is “official duties” and thus immune to prosecution regardless of the content of the contact, then being in contact with the CIA and asking them to “retire” some justices should be as well under more or less exactly the same line of reasoning.

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      The ruling just absolves him from criminal activity. It doesn’t give him complete power to increase the size of SCOTUS or retire Justices. He’d have to order a hit on a Justice to leverage that ruling, and that is an act of an insane person.

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        How about house arrest for their “protection”? Developing countries do that all the time.

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        Is that an act of an insane person? It’s apparently legal, now. Do you broadly think that using violence against tyranny is insane? Our founders committed their lives and fortunes to the violent overthrow of tyranny. It would be much easier, sitting in the oval office, with legal authority granted to him by the very people he would be targeting, to authorize the extrajudicial execution of a few traitors. Do you think that extrajudicial execution is insane? Then you’ll have to admit that most presidents in the last few decades were insane, especially Obama. Is it only insane when the target is white people in power, rather than brown-skinned people overseas?

        I’m not commenting, at this time, on whether it would be moral, or wise, but insane? I can’t see how.

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          I think it would set a very low bar for all subsequent Presidents if Biden used the new power to assassinate members of SCOTUS or Congress. The repercussions would be horrific.

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            It’s not like trump is known to not stoop below any bar he sees. Holding the bar up won’t do anything

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            I get what you’re saying, here. That’s why I specifically disclaimed making any judgement about whether it would be moral, or wise. But consider the other side of that same coin: the court did this specifically to overthrow democracy and allow Trump, or any other president who will carry out Project-2025 to use this power to maintain an effective dictatorship. There’s no other explanation for this ruling. Would using this absurd power once, now, to restore a court that is loyal to the Constitution and People of America, be worse than letting Trump get in, assassinate any and all opposition, and end democracy? Could we trust it to end there? Would Biden install justices that would immediately reverse the ruling and bring things back to normal, or just install his own loyalists? I dunno, it’s complicated.

            Ultimately, it’s also all just theoretical, anyhow. I find it almost inconceivable that Biden would do this.

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        If there were 5 justices, they’d still be functional. As proven in the past, there’s no requirement for 9.

        Esit: I’d - > If

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          It changed size six times before settling on nine Justices in 1869. Each time it was determined by a congressional vote. It’s not up to POTUS, it’s up to Congress.

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            It ran at 8 for quite a while. No one’s legitimately saying those decisions don’t count.

            The official number can be whatever. Congress doesn’t get to nominate. And SCOTUS would keep deciding.

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              Do you understand that Congress needs to vote on the number of Justices?

              I’m not talking about the vote on the nominee, but the actual number of Justices.

              It is currently nine, and will remain nine, until Congress votes on a different number.

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                I’m not the one being slow. SCOTUS had 8 people while McConnell held up Garland.

                Officially SCOTUS was and is nine people. But if the wheels of government turn slow enough, SCOTUS continues to do its job with whoever has made it through the process.

                Officially 9, it functioned with 8. No one is credibly saying all those decisions must be thrown out or that SCOTUS cannot function during a shortage.

                If that shortage was 4, people would be vocal. But legally, it would still be functional.

                I not talking about changing the official number. I never did in this thread until you did.

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        So let’s say, hypothetically.

        The president thought that people shouldn’t eat chocolate ice cream. It’s anti-american.

        And “for the good of the country” anyone who eats chocolate ice cream has to be isolated from the rest of society.

        That’s not an official act. It’s not really on the periphery of official acts.

        But because definitionally, anything that, at the president’s sole discretion, is “in the best interest of the United States” is now argued as an official act.

        Biden likes vanilla ice cream.
        But he isn’t going to detain you for unamerican activities if you prefer chocolate ice cream.

        Choose freedom! Choose chocolate ice cream!

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          You don’t understand the ruling.

          It is not giving POTUS any additional authority. It grants POTUS immunity from criminal prosecution of a crime related to an official act.

          Biden could personally slap the ice cream cone out of your hand and get away with it, if a court ruled it to be an official act. No one else is immune from crime committed on his behalf.

          This was tailored to Trump’s insurrection charges. If SCOTUS granted POTUS more executive privilege, Biden would just overrule SCOTUS and exempt felons from presidential candidacy.