• wieson@feddit.org
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        This operation has the potential to better Ukraine’s strategic position greatly. Ukraine winning means the dying of civilians stops. Ukraine giving up would not have the same result.

        Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered Czechoslovakia? - No.

        Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered Poland? - No.

        Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered the Netherlands? - No.

        Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered Denmark? - No.

        Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered France? - No.

        Did ww2 stop when Germany conquered Norway? - No.

        Ww2 ended, when Nazi Germany was defeated.

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          Ukraine winning means the dying of civilians stops. Ukraine giving up would not have the same result.

          Ukraine winning, Ukraine giving up, Ukraine making a peace deal with Russia, Russia winning - all those options will mean the dying of civilians stops.
          The only option where people will continue to die is the option you (probably) support - continuing the war.

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            That is not my perception.

            Russia winning means, the dying will continue in the suppression of their new subjects and in future invasions since this one would have been successful in the end.

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              How many people have died from “supression” (whatever it means in this context) in the Crimea, that has been occupied for 10 years now?
              And the next question - how come this number (is it 0 or more?) is less then the number of civilians (some of whom be Ukrainians or ex-Ukrainians) that died from Ukrainian shelling of Crimea?
              Do you think people should have a choice of dying in this, very real, war, or in some hypothetical could-happen war in the future?

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                Bro people died defending it and the rest fled so they weren’t raped or sledgehammered to death.

                What’s your solution dipshit.

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                  Bro people died defending it and the rest fled so they weren’t raped or sledgehammered to death.

                  Are we still talking about Crimea? Because what you are saying is completely false…

                  Please link some proofs to what you’re saying.

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                    Are you honestly looking for proof of the crimean invasion famously costing Ukraine an international airport and many many dead defenders.

                    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Antonov_Airport

                    The only people who say no one died dispite all evidence otherwise is Russia.

                    Ed: PS claiming you’re Ukrainian is pretty shitty boss, you clearly aren’t what’s next you have cancer and a Canadian girlfriend?

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            You lie, moskals have been observed to continue stealing, raping, killing and ethnic cleansing long after any hostilities ceased in many armed conflicts before. Their behaviour in Bucha and elsewhere proves they haven’t changed one bit.

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              moskal

              Oh wow we got some “have to blow off the dust it is so old” racism here

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          would ukraine winning mean civilians stop dying in the eastern oblasts where the coup regime have been murdering civilians and bombing and shelling them since 2014?

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        I’m not the one who invaded Ukraine, but i support them fighting back against the aggressor.

        would you rather just roll over and let russia take over?

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          You support who fighting back against the aggressor?
          People who are now trapped in the biggest mass prison in the world? People who are trying to escape this prison by any means, including through the occupied territories, mountains and rivers? People who are afraid to leave homes and go to grocery shops, because any day they might be kidnapped by “recruitment officers” and forcefully sent to die?
          You are not supporting us, you are killing us, together with Russia.