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        3 months ago

        If you’re a conservative, in my eyes you’re an anchor to progress. I don’t care if it’s Trump or whomever.

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              Populist reactionaries are not the same as conservatives. I would put them on the far right, beyond what I’d call conservatism.

              In my opinion, there isn’t much of a conservative movement in the US anymore, and most of what exists is a faction in the Democratic Party.

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              3 months ago

              You think Trump is a conservative? pro-weed, pro-cryptocurrency (and as Bitcoin, NOT Central Bank Digital Currency) conservative? What lol

              He knows that his main appeal is that, but at the end of the day I wouldnt say his policies are truly conservative at all. keep in mind not all repubs are conservative.

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                Wow you listed two whole things that were never conservative keystones and pretended they were.

                What about his thoughts towards regulating big business? Roe v. Wade? Immigration?

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                  3 months ago

                  Yes… I listed two core differences. Weed is extremely anti religion in many ways lol. Crypto is extremely progressive economical reform. You seemed so shocked by saying “wow” I figured you needed an explanation.

                  Immigration his thoughts are rather normal on. Migration =/= immigration. I dont think anyone wants migrants to continue spilling into a country that is giving all of its money away…

                  Yknow before Trump both Obama and Clinton contributed to the border wall? I guess, by your logic, they must be super conservative!

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                    Weed is extremely anti religion in many ways lol

                    I mean, a lot of religions are antiweed but I’ll concede that point.

                    Crypto is extremely progressive economical reform.

                    What kind of gymnastics are you doing that you see magic internet money as “progressive economical reform?” I’ve been around for a minute and every hardcore cryptobro I’ve had conversations with ends up being some flavor of ancap/libertarian/accelerationist/wannabe warlord/sells drugs or is in some other way explicitly anti-state.

                    Immigration his thoughts are rather normal on. Migration =/= immigration. I dont think anyone wants migrants to continue spilling into a country that is giving all of its money away…

                    Thanks for dog whistling, we all know what you mean.

                    both Obama and Clinton contributed to the border wall? I guess, by your logic, they must be super conservative!

                    Did you think they were progressive?

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                  3 months ago

                  That was definitely a move in that direction, but one conservative move does not a conservative make. He has done some ratherrrr progressive things too. Some of his ideologies also align to Democratic Party ideologies 2000-2012. (Namely his views on immigration (open, but strict; no more migration) are similar to Obama’s). Row v Wade being a ‘make this a state’s concern’ was a weird choice, but it also aligns to the gay marriage ideology of Obama’s first term.

                  i could totally be rusty on some of the above - but, he is way more lenient than a truly conservative man would be. His stance on weed/crypto shock me as they are so progressive.

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                His administration was never pro-weed. I bet you think Trump is here to protect the LGBTQ as well.

                Last time I checked the conservatives love pump and dump schemes hence why they always repeal banking regulations.

                He is a scam artist full stop. All Republicans are responsible for Trump unless they scream out at the top of their lungs he is a narcissist asshat and do everything they can to thwart him.

                The gloves are off and we are tired of the racism, misogyny, voter suppression, and othering of human beings. The hate train is coming to a stop.