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    Wow, The comments here are an absolute shitshow.

    Be as upset as you want with Obama or Biden. But remember, neither of them are on the table for this next election cycle.

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        You Lemmy.ml people asked Biden to step down because he’s old. What did you expect? He stepped down because he’s old just like you wanted, and even endorsed a candidate who doesn’t have any dementia at all. Who did you expect him to endorse, Mao’s zombie?

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          I’m somewhat baffled by him stepping down from running, but remaining president for the entire year. It seems like whoever is running for president, Kamala should have already taken over. It also feels weird having her just get inserted at the end of the process like that’s a normal thing, but I can’t really complain as I voted no preference anyways.

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            Drag thinks he’s still got the same legislation skills as always, it’s just the campaigning skills that went because his speech disorder from childhood came back. So they picked someone without dementia to do the campaigning, and he’ll be out of office before the dementia hits his prefrontal cortex like it has with Trump. It’s a sensible decision.

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        I mean, downvote all you want but they’re right. No one picked Harris except for Joe Biden. The primary was half assed at best, and there was no democratic process to select the Democratic party nominee. You’re insane if you don’t think that Biden’s dementia wouldn’t have surface during an actual primary process. We could have easily avoided this Trump apocalypse if the Democratic establishment let us have a real primary.

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          They’re not and you’re lying.

          The dnc occurred, the reps voted en masse for Kamala.

          The reps were nominated by the same process that has happened for over a century. The timeline was different but the process still occurred and you’re lying about it.

          The reps that voted for Kamala were nominated in the same fashion as every US election you’ve ever been alive for. It was a televised event where everyone in the party voted and agreed. Stop this bullshit.

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            Can you help me find kamala on my primary ballot from this year? ( I voted no preference)

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              Good for you! Pointing out inconsistencies as if they were national truths!

              You almost look like you’re pointing out a conspiracy BUT oh I’m so sorry, there is none!

              Point to the dnc! Not a png!

              Edit: to mention you didn’t vote you just now complained in a way to convince others to not vote. Thats scummy.

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                Edit: to mention you didn’t vote you just now complained in a way to convince others to not vote. Thats scummy.

                What? I voted

                Good for you! Pointing out inconsistencies as if they were national truths!

                Kamala is Bidens hand-picked successor. How is that untrue?

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                  Simple she was nominated by the DNC. She was not coronated and Biden didn’t step out and say “Kamala” magically creating the bullshit you describe.

                  Votes were cast by a variety of reps nominated by the same process that has existed throughout your whole lifetime.

                  What part of that confounds your brain?

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          It’s the same thing that brought on the first Trump presidency! The DNC tells you who you will vote for and you will like it!!

          DNC supporters have Stockholm syndrome!

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            Man I’d hate to jump to conclusions but that’s a lot of divisive comments from a 24 day old account.

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              It’s especially dumb because democratic primary votes overwhelmingly chose Clinton. It was never really a race at all, pretty much from start to finish she crushed Sanders. So this idea that the dnc picked her and everyone was forced to vote for her is just hogwash.

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    Remember when this guy drank the water at Flint, too bad you can’t drone strike lead pipes

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      I remember that your comments always focus on criticizing Democrats and Democrats alone.

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        What do you mean? I just don’t comment on Republicans because threats of violence get removed

        Also there was more aggressive pro-democrat posters, so it usually escalates when I do stuff like pointing out that Obama is a warmonger just like every other US politician.

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            I don’t think you understand the nature of my critique. Republicans suck ass, and it enrages me that democrats will only pretend to oppose wars when it’s Republicans in power

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          Must not have a very good grasp of your opinions if you can’t talk about the opposition without threats of violence. Or you’re not playing in good faith and just trying to rile up people by pointing out the warmongering nature of the US instead of having a real point.

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              What do you mean? I just don’t comment on Republicans because threats of violence get removed

              Must not have a very good grasp of your opinions if you can’t talk about the opposition without threats of violence.

              I talk about Democrats all the time without threats of violence, what are you talking about?

              I love it when people accidentally tell on themselves.

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                  An anarchist who can only talk intelligently against Democrats and only speaks in ‘threats of violence’ to republicans, meaning you can’t talk about them and only attack democrats and sees the Democrats as opposition and not republicans.

                  Seems legit.

                  Edit: just saw you’re on .ml, so yeah, you’re ‘an anarchist’ and hate democrats, no wonder you can’t speak against republicans LOL.

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      The majority of white women always vote Republican and that’s just fine. 12% of Black men lean Republican and we get article after article about what’s wrong with us.

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        The majority of white women always vote Republican

        Not sure when that was true but it is not true now

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          You’re kidding, right? LMAO

          White women are not a swing voting bloc. In the past 18 presidential elections, they have repeatedly voted for the Republican candidate, breaking only for Lyndon B. Johnson and for Bill Clinton’s second term. As political scientist Jane Junn wrote in 2016, “The elephant in the room is white and female, and she has been standing there since 1952.”

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/27/white-women-vote-republican-get-used-it-democrats/

          Downvoting me for being correct gets tiresome. But this is precisely how racist this country is. Even if there has been some small shift towards Dems, ya’ll would be way better off figuring out how to convert your sisters rather than worrying about a tiny number of Black Republicans.

          White Democrats just prefer to blame us, like you always do. ✌🏾

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            Do you have a source? That’s an opinion without a single source for their claims.

            When I look for sources, they all dispute your claim.

            A study about this topic: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/

            Example from the exit polls 2016: https://www.statista.com/statistics/631224/voter-turnout-of-the-exit-polls-of-the-2016-elections-by-gender/

            Here’s a times article disputing your claim:

            https://time.com/5422644/trump-white-women-2016/

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              I don’t think you actually read those articles

              According to a later analysis that experts consider more reliable, a study published in August by the Pew Research Center, the percentage of white women who voted for Trump was actually 47%, compared to 45% for Clinton. That’s still a plurality, and still makes white women more Trump-positive than the overall electorate

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                I read those, and they made me confident enough to refute this statement:

                The majority of white women always vote Republican and that’s just fine. 12% of Black men lean Republican and we get article after article about what’s wrong with us.

                I picked the most extreme case in his favour on purpose, quite the opposite of you that picked the worst of my three sources for my case…

                2020 shows a very different picture.

                https://www.msnbc.com/know-your-value/how-women-voters-decided-2020-election-n1247746

                Edit: A little bonus

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              I’m sorry are you asking about white women voting for Republicans? Did you look at your first link? I suspect you’re conflating “women” with “white women”.

              That conflation is really what I’m talking about when I mention the racism of this country. It honestly was not meant to be pointed directly at the people here, I mean that stories abound about how “women” are solidly Democratic as a way to hide that the majority of white women are Republicans.

              Edit: But if you’re quibbling that 47% is not a majority when 42% voted for Democrats, you’re just wasting time. If only white women voted, Republicans would win.

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            Yes everything is zero sum. if I dispute you, I’m racist. Great way to have a fucking conversation. What I disputed had nothing to do with your race in any fucking way. Bye.

            FYI I went back and actually downvoted you just because you are intent on being like this instead of just correcting me if I’m wrong.

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              Obviously I’m the problem for pointing out WHY you’re so incorrect. There really is no way to sugarcoat it enough for you to do any sort of introspection. Once you cool down a bit from how mean I am, maybe you should think about why you thought White women voted for Democrats.

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            How about we concentrate on both things?

            However, this is one of the only articles I’ve seen on it, I don’t think there’s a LOT of focus on it, vs. all the many many posts/articles calling out white MAGAts. It’s still possible to discuss both things.

            Saying that this means everyone downvoting you is racist and all the white democrats are blaming blacks for everything “like always” is beyond disingenuous.

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              You’re right. Left out one piece though. This commenter is actually saying here that Obama is a huge racist too.

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                  I’m not twisting anything. This article is about a thing Obama said, which you’re declaring as racist. You told me I was racist for agreeing with the article, which by the way I literally never did. I just disputed your separate claim. Not every issue is a binary choice between two positions and this is a perfect example of that fallacy.

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              And of course if you haven’t seen other articles that means they don’t exist.

              One might note that I said this country is racist. I called the people down voting me tiresome. The first is an obvious fact. The second is an understandable opinion.

              I don’t suppose you remember California Prop 8. But feel free to get your feelings hurt because I mentioned racism rather than actually trying to understand what I said.

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                OK, are you claiming that there are more articles blaming and calling out black republicans than those calling out white MAGAts?

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                  No, I’m pointing out the difference and quantity of articles blaming and calling out Black men than one’s exploring why so many white women, specifically, vote for Republicans. Especially considering how much larger their vote is than ours.