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Chinese Carmaker Overtakes Tesla as World’s Most Popular EV Maker::Elon Musk once scoffed at the notion that BYD could compete with his company. Now, the automaker run by billionaire Wang Chuanfu is poised to be the new No. 1 in electric vehicles.
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The fact that the headline says “Chinese Carmaker” and not “BYD” says a lot about their international market share.
To be honest, I think it more tells you the article was written by an American for an American audience.
Poorly. Just add the name after Chinese Car maker.
Yes, that would be great, it’s a bit editorializing, but making it less click bait, should absolutely be acceptable.
I’m not sure if it’s that or clickbait to get you to find out who it is. That kinda crap has been rampant lately.
Could be both though honestly. Either way, I’m sick of it.
I agree with that, I guess it could have been added after the original headline, maybe putting it in parenthesis.
Also says a lot that despite that they still make more. Having more global sales in effectively one country is more impressive if anything.
Eh, it’s diminished when that one country holds nearly 17% of earth’s entire population, or nearly as much as the next 6 countries by population combined.
When you have that much market, nearly anything you do will break population-based records.
India and China have similar populations. It’s a bit disingenuous to say China has as much pop as the next 6 countries.
India is #1, China is #2.
So yes, it is accurate to say that China has roughly as much population as #3-8
The headline also says overtakes, while it says “poised to be” in the text.
It says a lot about that “journalist” knowledge of the topic
To be fair they are just now entering the US market
Huge in Europe and Australia for sure
oh look, someone doing ev that can actually make vehicles, and theyve eclipsed tesla… no wayy…
no one could have predicted this except, ya know, everyone.
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I don’t even care about that. I want a car I can afford and fit my family including luggage in. Give me two hours of battery life with one hour of charging and I’m sold.
Perhaps consider an used car instead of a brand new one? New electric vehicle is worse for the environment than one that already exists even if it runs on petrol/diesel
For me it’s less about the environment and most about the long term cost savings and needing less maintenance.
The savings from not buying a new one pays for quite a few trips to the mechanic. New car loses half of its value in just few years so you’re guranteed to lose money anyways.
My car is quite old, from 2007. I’m spending a lot in preventative maintenance like belts, pumps, fluids etc because I know the first real problem it’ll have I’ll have to buy something else.
If I could just avoid all that, that would be great.
That’s fair, but the cars downtime and dealing with a mechanic costs more than just the $$$.
I’ve had a car in and out of the shops for months trying to nail down an over heating issue. What a stress that was. I don’t think I’ll ever consider an ice car again to be honest.
I already got a stinker that does all that. Of course I’d also take a used electric, but they haven’t been on the market long enough. I’ve never bought a new car in my life. Don’t see the point when they cost only half as much as new when they’re only a year or two old.
Depending on your needs and budget, Edison Motors just announced preorders for diesel/ev hybrid pickup conversion kits. I’m definitely interested in converting my 80’s square body to being a plugin hybrid with no spyware.
And yet so many people are stuck in the pyramid scheme that is Tesla’s stock.
And those who have ETFs or index funds that track the S&P 500 also have Tesla stock as a hot trash albatross to deal with.
You leave the majestic albatross out of this.
Man, Tesla is known for their very poor quality these days as well.
I recall 6-7 years ago I had a family member complain about their tesla breaking down. Today, we know this is pretty standard for all of them. We’ve also all seen how trashy the build quality is outside the electronics as well.
So… Even if these are trashy quality, are they really much worse than Tesla? I look forward to hearing more. I hope this shames Western companies into catching up, the fucking idiots.
Everyone hates on Tesla for obvious CEO reasons , but Tesla still has great cars. I test drove every electric car manufacturer and model available in central Florida throughout 2021/2022. The model y is by far the best in nearly every aspect. Nothing comes close.
My model y had one panel issue. They gave me a loaner car, it was fixed in 2 days. I haven’t had any issues since. I drove it from Orlando, Florida to Toronto,CA and back without issue. It calculates where and how long to charge to continue your trip.
Again, everyone gives it shit but the “self-driving” is 10/10 on the highway ( 7/10 on local roads). It’s not fancy lane assist and you’d have to be literally sleeping at the wheel to crash while it’s engaged. It made driving there and back a breeze.
Best car I’ve driven so far. Hands down.
The model Y comfort and quality is garbage compared to any Audi, BMW, or ESPECIALLY Porsche. You are on crack if you think Tesla quality is above the Germans. It’s a shitty muscle car with a good drivetrain.
I have driven the iX and Taycan several times and comfortability is just better in a Tesla. My brother in law is very well off. He has a Mercedes, Porsche, bmw, McLaren and a Tesla. He rather daily drive the Tesla.
🙄 the y is nowhere nowhere near taycan. You are off your rocker.
My brother in Christ, I have put several hours behind the taycan. The model Y is a better daily driver imo.
You are delusional.
You’ve driven both to compare?
Data and consumer reporting consistently rank Tesla as one of, and frequently THE, most unreliable car company by the numbers as far as quality control. It has nothing to do with Musk hate. The company is infamous for ex-managers confessing that they were told to ship them with the defects because most people didn’t bother to have them fixed.
You “only” had a panel issue that required multiday service. That’s not supposed to happen with brand new cars.
I’m glad you enjoy the car and driving it though, I bet they are great when they’re at their best. Apparently, the China-based ones are fine very well. But it’s okay to criticize things that should be criticized.
My Renault Megane E-Tech has much nicer interior and better build quality in general than the Tesla Y.
But charging times on the Tesla are really awesomely good
Out of curiosity, how do you use the self-driving? Do you pay attention to the road with your hands on the wheel in case it fails or do you just, I don’t know, look at the landscape? If you pay attention to the road what’s the benefit over cruise control?
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But it reduces the load because you don’t pay attention to the road? I know cruise control reduces the load because I don’t pay attention to my speed.
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Yes but how? I’m genuinely curious. If you still have to pay attention to the turns and (I imagine) other cars what load is it taking over? I only have cruise control and I see not having to check my speed makes a big difference, I dong have to worry I’m going over the limit. But unless I can just ignore the road I dont see how self driving helps. Not having to steer on gentle turns really makes a difference?
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It actually does, just got a new car with the smart lane assist and cruise control and it’s honestly really nice. It’s not full self driving or anything and it often gets confused on big bends, areas with construction or roads with little to no lines, but on highways and major roads it’s just nice.
Imagine that feeling of cruise control 10x. It’s just a better driving experience.
On the highway, I haven’t had it fail or do anything weird in over a year. I watch the road, but keep my hands off. Daily commute, especially when there’s traffic, is much less of a mental burden. I’m much more at ease to check my phone or look up a song. Local roads, I keep my hand a 3’ o’clock while on the armrest. Not as liberal with diverting my eyes. Letting it do all the work makes driving better, it’s definitely more relaxing.
OK, makes sense. I will have to try it one day.
Yes. It’s very fashionable to hate Elon Musk, but unfashionable to acknowledge that someone you hate can do good stuff.
I am shocked that a Chinese company with access to materials is selling heavily subsided EVs. Shocked! Meanwhile in the US, nobody can make them in quantity and when they do Americans don’t want them. Shocked!
None of you would purchase this car to any Toyota quality wise as well. These things are sub Mitsubishi quality.
But it wouldn’t hurt if US could massively subsidize it’s own cheap EV options
Predicted for this quarter. Musk has been scoffing the idea, whilst watching them catch him and simultaneously shooting himself in the foot with his own plans.
Meh, the US will slap enough tariffs on these things to make their own Autoindustry competitive again.
So will the EU.
But china has a gigantic middle-class that can afford these things, so I hope they all switch to EV en masse… it’s a win for the planet!
Tariff slapping had been tried by Trump. Very poor outcomes. There will be a more moderated approach, but we will need to see how that pans out
I’m confused what you think is going to happen? There at 25% and Biden doesn’t think they are high enough, they are already currently in talks of increases AFAIK.
Where can I get one?
BYD is available in most of the world, the story linked beneath is about a newer model ATTO, but Dolphin is probably even more popular: https://cleantechnica.com/2023/11/27/byd-atto-3-now-available-in-50-countries-neta-auto-enters-central-south-america/
This is an overview of their global presence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Auto#Global_expansion
And still their shares are just a fraction of Tesla’s share price.
Company is beholden to the Chinese government, apparently that is worse than beholden to a manchid and a group of ultrarich shareholders.
Rather ironically, BYD is probably closer to the “value investing” (realistic) value than most hyper-inflated western stocks, which completely decoupled from reality a long time ago…
Regardless of value sentiment, I’d never consider investing in a Chinese stock. Too much risk that the CCP makes some big overnight change that torpedoes the price.
Not like that happens with US stocks.
Is there history of this happening?
Atleast Musk and Tesla shareholders aren’t commiting a genocide so the argument could be made that it indeed is less bad.
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Are they just more popular, or do they sell more cars?
I hate language like “the economy is mourning” or stuff like the headline.
I remember seeing BYD in China back in the early 2000s with a logo that looks very similar to BMW’s logo. I guess they have to start somewhere by copying somebody. There were also a lot of cars that had fake badges (added by the owner, not the manufacturer) in China, there was a strong desire for the western brands, of course, that’s why Buicks and Audis were so popular in China. I guess I would stay away from that brand until it has proven itself somewhere else from China. Don’t trust any stats published out of China.
But are you really comfortable bying a Chinese car?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOA7qKMcjcE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKa8mVOe5so
And are they really selling that many?
This is complete bullshit, BYD makes the worlds safest EV batteries with their Blade battery, and they are the world leading manufacturer on volume too.
https://evreporter.com/byd-blade-battery-what-makes-it-ultra-safe/
According to some guy named Rahul Bollini? That’s not very convincing.
