• mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    Fuck your parenting.

    For the last time: adults adults adults. This abuse is bad, for adults. I don’t care about your children, at all, full stop.

    YOU want this abuse to exist. You KNOW it’s abuse. You have fully acknowledged it is a scam, but you LIKE the scam, because it’ll teach your miserable spawn a lesson. Fuck that lesson. Fuck your kids. Scams are bad, actually. Fuck abusive business models. Fuck anyone who thinks addiction requires 100.0% of users to get addicted before we can call it deliberate psychological abuse to induce addiction for limitless quantities of actual money.

    Why the hell would I need to name an alternative way to teach your kids about the orphan-threshing machine, when I am saying the orphan-threshing machine should not exist?

    Why do you think “free” games are the only place this happens, when fucking Diablo has this garbage in it? This is coming to EVERYTHING. There will be nothing else, if we let it continue! It is the dominant strategy! Do you know what those words mean? Do you even care what words mean?

    I’m inclined to say no, when you keep sneering as hard as you can about identifying intolerable abuse, as if saying “that’s bad and it needs to stop” is a contradiction, unless I solve all problems forever.

    • PenguinTD@lemmy.ca
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      11 months ago

      well, look at that simple finger pointing argument tech. As an adult you can do better.

      Let me copy something I typed a bit earlier to a different guy that copied almost the same strat you use but less cursing. “Abuse means you are in a position where the victim can’t or don’t know how to say no to your malpractice.” Let’s see what my kid currently can ask me to stop:

      • humming, whistling, that make noise he caused since his youtube video stuck in my head
      • get one vegetable out of his plate and replace with a different kind he can take.
      • if he had enough tickling quota and asked me to stop any time.
      • right I forgot you don’t care about my kid, maybe I should also stop here.

      Any person without the addiction trait can just stop, the time it takes to get there varied by which part of distribution you fall on. As gamer we simply do so because:

      • there are newer better ones out there
      • you burned out grinding or simply tired of that price gouging shit throwing at you, you learn to identify those sales pitch and not get involved next time
      • you run out of money? you are in therapy? regain your self control after properly follow instruction to separate out access to available fund by a trusted 3rd party?
      • you simply don’t like the game loop, that’s what happened to me with MMO boom, I tried a couple and none of them attracted me.

      Disclaimer: I probably have really high tolerance because of Monster Hunter, the OG rng drop action rpg where you hunt the same monster for 3 chances of 1% drop per hunt. My understanding of probability and other game mechanics to keep you there really thanks to this game. Where you burn time instead of money.

      Gacha game itself is not an abusive practice, we have establish that cause the widely available statistics from many other existing industries(gacha eggs, trading cards, lottery, etc) I’ve mentioned before. If you don’t like the game you simply stop playing. If you liked the game so much and can not stop playing, you might need to seek therapy as you fall under that group in distribution as “highly susceptible”. And if you are a addict victim yourself, hating/banning all those that traps people like you does not solve the fundamental issues, including cursing and painting a internet stranger as some type of “enabler” or putting your words in my mouth, I am not going to repeat those.

      I did not say it has to be free game for that to happen, but because free game relies on mtx and other mechanics to survive so they must have something else in game to get revenue. Actually, even free games are going away from that practice cause most people learn. Sharing knowledge is a great thing, people break down how much money you need to spend to get something or how many hours you need to grind in Diablo 4 for stuff pretty much less than one month after launch. They helped so many people before they fall into that “grinding pit”. Any seasoned player will look for those before they even dip their hands in a game because of sunken cost fallacy, “I need to keep playing cause I invest so much time/money in this game already”, instead of focus on “does playing the game is still fun?”

      This is not coming to everything, let me show you a couple top selling game in last stretch of 2023(after Sep):

      • Baldur’s Gate
      • Starfield
      • Cyberpunk(the DLC update and bundle)
      • Alan Wake II
      • Spiderman II
      • Super Mario Bros. Wonder

      The games that receives really well but I don’t have sales data:

      • Robocop
      • Lie of P, Lords of fallen (Souls like)
      • The Talos Principle 2
      • Avatar

      What about other games that aren’t even on my radar? Well, I don’t care.

      Like I mentioned, you do your thing, push for regulation, do your best and I’d hate to tell you that it doesn’t work if you put that energy toward me instead of, say, running for legislation rep. As an adult you should know about this by now, I hope you learn and improve and push for your ideal society. Just like I learn a couple new words from your post even though it’s just useless efforts to try get me upset about something baseless.