National reparations commissions in the region will also approach Lloyd’s of London and the Church of England with demands of financial payments and reparative justice for their historic role in slavery.
Inconvenient truth. Africans captured and sold other Africans to slave traders. The ‘white devils’ did not sneak into the African interior and steal them away, they waited for them to be brought to the coast. Still an awful practice, but the question has to be asked, “Why not demand reparations from modern day African nations?”
Nothing you wrote absolves anyone of their participation in the slave trade, you simply implicated an additional guilty party.
True. So you agree that African nations hold the greatest responsibility?
For one, modern day African nations are not a small group of ultra rich white assholes who are still benefitting from the slavery.
It helps when the scope of the action is clear and direct and includes specific people.
Ahh, it’s what I thought. It’s not about truth and justice, it’s about shaking people down for money.
Do you think fining people who have wronged others is ‘shaking people down for money’.
Stupid comment. So, using your logic, it would be OK to fine you for something your great great great grandfather did. I’m confident that not a single ‘internet couch activist’ would accept that.
If I had inherited insane wealthy due to the horrible actions of my ancestors, then losing part of it to repay the victims of that tragedy is perfectly fine. It isn’t like I earned it through my actions, and I would expect that if someone stole something from me and gave it to someone else then I should still get it back.
Way to be selfish though, hope it lets you sleep at night.
Very noble of you to state what you would do IF yada yada yada. I call BS.
At least my speculation is helping victims instead of shilling for the fucking royals.
What a garbage! I’m sorry, but how out of touch can one get?
This is getting silly now. We’ve agreed for thousands of years that children aren’t responsible for the sins of their fathers. This attempt to resurrect Babylonian era values is absurd. Critical thinking is clearly absent in modern schooling.
It has nothing to do with punishing children for the sins of their fathers, it’s about paying people for the work they did. Living descendants of slave owners still benefit today from the unpaid labour, to pay reparations isn’t a punishment, it’s the smallest possible attempt to make the victims of slavery whole.
it’s about paying people for the work they did.
Okay, so pay slaves for the work they did. But we can’t, because they’re long dead. So that’s not what you’re asking at all. You’re asking for people who never owned slaves to pay people who were never slaves. Not all British white people are wealthy as a result of historical slavery. In fact, most British were dirt poor and never owned any slaves at all. Today, their ancestors remain dirt poor. You’d ask them to pay recompense for something for which neither they nor their ancestors are guilty.
I’m white and of Irish descent. My ancestors were subject to genocide under the Irish Potato Famine. Am I morally owed restitution? Further back, my ancestors were subject to slavery along the North African coast and Middle East for hundreds of years in the Barbary slave trade. Am I owed reparations from the numerous countries involved in that? To me it quickly becomes apparent that any feigned moral outrage begins and stops at white people. Everyone’s ancestors are guilty of atrocities if we go back far enough. Everyone’s ancestors were subject to atrocities as well.
we can’t because they’re long dead
If someone died today who was owed £100,000 for some work they did, would the debt be written off, or would it become owed to their estate?
most British didn’t have slaves
Did you forget what thread you were commenting on? This is about the royal family, not some random East Londoner from the 17th century.
am I owed restitution
I would say so, yes. But it’s not “moral”, this is nothing to do with morals, it’s to do with the reality of the situation - Irish people have historically been victimised for the benefit of others, especially the British, and so I would 100% be in favour of the UK making some sort of payment to try and mitigate that problem. I do have to say that, morally speaking, (but not technically) I think it’s lower on the priority list, because white Irish people have a pretty decent quality of life now, and imo it would be better to try put money where it would be most needed before paying overdue debts to more prosperous people
