• darq@kbin.social
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      1 year ago

      The only reason I opened the article, “whatchu mean fear of peace talks?!”

      Like I get it, Ukraine shouldn’t capitulate. But ending the bloodshed is a good thing, surely.

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        The issue is that we’ve already tried the whole peace thing before. Remember the Budapest Memorandum? The Minsk Protocol & Minsk II? The Partition & Friendship Treaties?

        I feel like the heart of the issue is that Russia doesn’t want peace. If it did, we would not be here in the first place.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          You mean the Minsk agreements Ukraine refused to implement for 8 years, and the west has now admitted were designed to buy time to arm Ukraine for the proxy war. Not really helping your case there bud.

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            1 year ago

            …Ukraine refused to implement for 8 years, and the west has now admitted were designed to buy time to arm Ukraine for the proxy war

            [citation needed]

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                1 year ago

                can’t even be bothered to google?

                No, I’m invoking Hitchen’s Razor.

                While I will concede the Minsk Agreement, there’s still the issue of the Partition Treaty, the Treaty of Friendship, and the Budapest Memorandum. All of which were meant to encode Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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                  1 year ago

                  Claiming there is no evidence for something that’s well documented is just flaunting your own ignorance. All of the treaties you mentioned were respected by Russia until US overthrew a democratically elected government in Ukraine in a violent coup. A fact that’s, once again, has been extensively documented in western media. It takes stunning amounts of intellectual dishonesty to ignore this and peddle your narrative.

                  • ֆᎮ⊰◜◟⋎◞◝⊱ֆᎮ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    1 year ago

                    Fuck off with this shit dude. We had a revolution to tell the Russian stooges to GTFO. You don’t get to gaslight a people for the choices they made. Your bias is showing моска́ль.

                    Don’t bother responding.