• jimmy90@lemmy.world
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        4 hours ago

        so they took the obliteration thing out and accepted the 1967 borders in 2017

        congratulations, only 50 years too late, after 50 years of attacks

        and then went mental in 2023

        these guys really have peace in mind

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          4 hours ago

          they completely reject the israeli state and expect palestine to cover the whole land

          that isn’t happening

          no peace as usual

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            The Israeli state is and has always been about the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Of course Palestinians aren’t going to accept being ethnically cleansed from their homes. Palestinians want emancipation and equal rights. Israel has never wanted peace. You’re clearly a Zionist, which is fascist, since you keep repeating their propaganda even in the face of evidence that debunks it completely.

            Settlements and Occupation

            Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.

            This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.

            The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:

            Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:

            While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements

            The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.

            The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.

            Apartheid Evidence

            Amnesty Report

            Human Rights Watch Report

            B’TSelem Report with quick Explainer

            Visualizing the Ethnic Cleansing

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              2 hours ago

              your brain will never be able to conceive of peace because anyone that disagrees with you is immediately a nazi

              and what would you do with your day without the struggle, comrade

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                2 hours ago

                Walk like a duck, quack like a duck. There is no way to justify the Fascism that is Occupation, Apartheid, and Genocide that isn’t fascist.

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                  1 hour ago

                  and how do you justify the international terrorism, suicide bombings, rocket attacks?

                  what word is burned into your brain for that?

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                    I don’t justify it. I understand that it comes from having no options available in the face of extermination. You have no conception of anti-colonial violence. I understand that to end anti-colonial violence requires an end to the colonial violence.

                    I could much more easily call Israel a terrorist state, and by looking at cases of actual acts of terror, it’s clear that Israel does magnitudes more. But while acknowledging acts of terrorism is important, giving the label of terrorist to an entire group is not really useful. It’s mostly use to de-legitimize acts of resistance against colonialism and occupations. Such is the case with Ireland, Vietnam, Algeria, South Africa, and many more.

                    Both the Occupier and the Occupied can and do use acts of terrorism to further their aims, but the aims are diametrically opposed. The aim of the occupier is to continue the occupation, that requires violence to maintain, and ethnic cleansing. The aim of the occupied is to end the occupation, by any means possible, and gain emancipation. We see that one is a reaction to the other, Israel’s perpetual violence towards native peoples is the underlying cause of these conflicts. Solutions to ending the violence of anti-colonialism can only come from ending the underlying violence of the colonialism.

                    We see that permanent occupation develops into an Apartheid, as the settlers / occupiers have rights upheld by the State and Military, while the natives / occupied have no rights and subjected to violence from both the Settlers and Military. The State, who holds the monopoly on power, uses terrorism to suppress resistance to the occupation in order to maintain it. The occupied, having no power, uses terrorism as a means to resist the occupation.

                    Israel has no interest in peace, it has interest in land grabbing, which is in complete opposition to peace. This is fundamental to Zionism. Which is why an end to Zionism and a regime change, where a Secular Bi-National One-State that gives equal rights to Palestinians and Israelis is the only way for the conflict to really end. Not only with Palestinian resistance, but with all resistance groups that were created by Israeli occupation.

                    The existence of Hamas, and any armed resistance movement, is directly due to the decades of violence experienced daily under the permanent occupation, the Apartheid State, of Israel. It’s impossible to understand their existence if you don’t understand the lived experience and material conditions they are forced to live under. There is no such thing as a perfect victim when it comes to anti-Colonialist resistance, not for the Vietcong, the IRA, or the ANC either. Can you condemn the violence of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in the same way as the violence of the Warsaw Ghetto?

                    In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video

                    Adi Callai has also done a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history, as well as an analysis of Franz Fanon and Identity Politics in the context of Colonialism and Anti-colonialism.

                    Watch those videos before you respond