In my experience learning online is way more effective and efficient.
Why it is not the default option for universities?
As someone who was was an adjunct before and during the pandemic, I can tell you from first hand experience that a lot was lost when transitioning from in-person to remote learning.
The most obvious impact was participation. Even at the college level, when students aren’t physically in the classroom they are less focused on the class.
However, even beyond that there are a lot of things that suffer:
- The ability to just walk over to a student to see how theyre doing (whether they want you to or not).
- In class exercises and group collaboration.
- The ability to easily dive into questions and tangents (drawing programs online are very hit or miss).
- Not to mention audio and video issues.
- Ability to read the classroom (going to fast, something wasn’t clear, etc.)
It may not sound significant, but it really adds up. Not to mention that the impact from covid in education is very visible at all levels of education.
Because American educational institutions are not and haven’t been about academia and learning for some time. It’s a good ol’ boys club you pay with daddy’s money or massive amounts of debt to be a part of, to give you a piece of paper you can use to virtue signal to other people who wasted similar amounts of money in the same place.
Hiring in IT has been an eye opener, I actively distrust people who present their degree as their first and foremost point of hirability; because they’re usually useless.
Because American educational institutions are not and haven’t been about academia and learning for some time. It’s a good ol’ boys club you pay with daddy’s money or massive amounts of debt to be a part of, to give you a piece of paper you can use to virtue signal to other people who wasted similar amounts of money in the same place.
There are some of those, yes, but far more colleges and universities are NOT those than are.
Hiring in IT has been an eye opener, I actively distrust people who present their degree as their first and foremost point of hirability; because they’re usually useless.
I do IT hiring as well. I don’t fault the younger folks that lead with their degree. They’ve been told all of their lives how important it is to get one and the it will make them stand out from their peers. I’ll agree with you however that a degree by itself does not make someone competent at the subject matter.
When I’m dealing with recent grads, I’ll ask for things outside of the degree coursework that deals with problem solving or demonstrations of conceptual knowledge (as oppose to rote). Lots of them fall flat when put to these question, some, however, shine. Where a degree (any degree) is useful is that it usually means they can write decently enough. They know at least some etiquette and professionalism. Hopefully it also means they know how to look something up, which really is the key skill of IT.
People learn many different ways. Online learning is not right for everybody.
Things like lectures I agree are actually better online than in person, but there’s a lot about university learning that can’t really be replicated online.
The most obvious thing being physical demonstrations and hands on projects, which I had in several physics and engineering classes.
Also I think in-person works better for discussion sections or office hours, where talking it out and writing it on a board is often easier to do in person than online (although there are tools for these things online).
Another big thing you’d miss out on by studying online is the whole social aspect of living away from your parents and with other people your age and making friends and going to parties and such.
Institutional inertia
I can’t even get my postgrad course to record class sessions for the english as a second language international students.
I’ve got a master’s degree and I’ve also been a teaching assistant and I strongly disagree with the notion that online teaching is more effective. Putting all materials online is useful, but explaining something to someone is way more effective when you’re standing next to them.
The MSc Sustainability from Cranfield University is all online besides a 4 day residential each year.
Seems to work really well for them.
As with remote work, it really depends on what you’re doing. Some jobs and classes are tailor made for remote, some are nearly impossible to accomplish remotely. COVID inspired some really creative uses of technology but at the end of the day, it was an augmentation not a drop-in replacement.
I think online courses should be available as much as possible whenever practical, but what we all have to realize is that designing an effective online curriculum is expensive and difficult. We also have to realize that certain activities will never transition to online and we just need to accept that. Taking a lecture with 300 students? Put that that thing online. Learning an instrument? You need to be in-person for your lessons and ensembles.
What needs to change is how in-person workers are compensated and how institutions support the development of online programs. It’s not either/or, it’s both/and.
Also money. If it was all free to get the paper online, who would pay to get it in person?
Some classes translate to an online format much easier than others. How do you effectively translate an upper level chemistry lab to be done online? Even if you could do it in such a way that the student gains the theoretical knowledge, it wouldn’t give them the hands on practice that they’ll need for real lab work.
Your experience is not representative of the majority.
What are your metrics for “effective?” As someone who is both teaching and taking classes currently, I can tell you engagement is pitifully low in online formats. Education is not just about memorizing facts and going through the motions to get a good grade. There’d have to be some amazing innovation in online education practices to convince me it will be the default anytime soon.
In practice, online education is worse. Discussion boards are a shallow replacement for real shoulder to shoulder conversations, many students speed through video lectures, and the entire experience seems flattened and gamified. It feels more “effective and efficient” but that feeling doesn’t necessarily match reality.
Indeed. I’m genuinely baffled to hear OP finds online learning more effective and efficient
Why wouldn’t you?
Because that’s the complete opposite experience of me and I think most other people
Why?
For the reasons listed in the post the commenter was replying to: people don’t engage as much with the material or with each other.
According to everything I have seen and read on the matter, most kids seemed to have a shit time with online schooling during COVID. Too easy to be distracted, frequent technical problems, no hands on activities or labs, no socialisation, no arts programs, no physical education, terrible support for kids who had learning problems or who otherwise required customised education plans, and the much larger class sizes meant an overall poorer quality of education.
For many, it was an unmitigated disaster, and most kids are much happier to be back at school in person. A handful loved it though. My daughter was one, though she also is very happy to have music classes again, so even she prefers being back in school.
Our conservative provincial government liked the cost savings though, so they tried to introduce an online course requirement to get your high school diploma, but due to popular demand, they had to include an opt out option. Since the opt out was so popular, they are now making it harder to access by requiring that you fill out a form for it available only by contacting the school guidance office.
Let’s face it, online education is not popular because it sucks unless your program only requires a lecture, you are very motivated to learn and study, you don’t need or want to discuss anything complicated with profs or peers, you have no learning or hearing disabilities, and you prefer to avoid people. It is great for work you already know how to do, which is the reason my daughter loved it, and why I like working from home. But default online education? Correspondence school has long been a thing, so if that’s you, fill your boots. It seems most would rather pass on it.
no socialisation
Between missing in-person schooling and social media, we have an entire generation that are, socially speaking, idiots. I see posts on here everyday that remind me of that.
Projection
I think a great majority of learning in college comes from living someplace other than home. Meeting different kinds of people from different places and spending time with them. Classes are very important but so much learning happens outside of classrooms.
I think this is one of the reasons conservatives hate college. Impressionable students might develop empathy, and we certainly can’t have that.
But but, Elmo said empathy is what’s holding us back!! /s
Nothing defines him and his associates/fanboys better than that statement. To me, showing empathy and acting on it is the most beneficial thing one can do for humanity.
He’s right. It is what’s holding THEM back
@KingGordon True, but few can afford the luxury experience of campus living.
In my experience, it doesn’t need to be on-campus. Just getting to know other students and working/studying with them is enough.
I’ve never lived on campus and idk how it works in the US but when I’d come in for the lectures I still met plenty of people who challenged me and my ideas and helped me grow as a person. Hell even just taking the subway to campus every day got me to actually start adulting and out of the shell of school and home life.
