This is how Trump won in the first place, wikileaks published emails of Hilary’s campaign doing this. Instead of critisizing her for being responsible for Trump, democrats blamed Russia and attecked Wikileaks as Russian spies, literally called for shooting the messenger.
This is a prime example of why voting for lesser evil is not a tactic in politics and the whole liberal ideology as whole that we just need to vote for right people, instead of removing powerful positions in government in the first place.
The wikileaks thing is highly suspect, though. Like, wikileaks intentionally disclosed a lot of publicly damaging dirt on Clinton and the Dems at a very sensitive time in the election while not releasing ANYTHING on the GOP, even though they supposedly had that information.
I mean Hilary had been personally, as Secretary of State, responsible for Julian’s persecution for years and years, it’s no surprise he would have had a grunge against her, with good reasons. It’s also highly likely no one from the Dems side thought WikiLeaks was a good avenue for leaks because of it, and so no material was submitted. It’s not really suspect, it’s just logical.
How so? I’m sure Clinton was pissed off that he published leaked documents originating from her department, but prosecution is not the role of the Secretary of State in the US government. And besides that, Sweden issued an arrest warrant in November 2010 and she resigned in February 2013. That’s what, two years?
https://www.npr.org/2010/11/29/131668950/white-house-aims-to-limit-wikileaks-damage
“Let’s be clear. This disclosure is not just an attack on America – it’s an attack on the international community,” Clinton said Monday at a State Department news conference. Such leaks, she said, “tear at the fabric” of responsible government.
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Clinton emphasized that she wanted to “make it clear to the American people and to our friends and partners that we are taking aggressive steps” to hold those who leaked the documents to account.
The cable leaks had everything to do with the State Department has it pertained mostly to foreign affairs, and American involvement and meddling in various countries.
The cable leak is what Julian is being prosecuted for right now, not the dropped charges from Sweden. We also now know for a fact that there was a secret indictment in the US the whole time.
What you’re saying isn’t necessarily a contradiction to what I said.
those who leaked the documents to account
Chelsea Manning leaked the documents. I think this was known relatively early on because she said something to a fellow soldier who tipped off their commanders.
And as I said, Clinton was certainly furious, but that doesn’t mean she had much to do with Julian Assange being pursued. She wasn’t even in office for most of that time.
There is nothing suspect about wikileaks, blueAnon just needs to learn to take responsibility for their actions
Nothing suspect besides them turning into Putin’s laundromat. Oh, and then there was the not so subtle pushing of conspiracy theories exploiting Seth Rich’s death. Real class act there.
nah, the real class act is the shit that we now know about what US does around the world and domestically thanks to wikileaks
I used to love Wikileaks. They did genuine good throughout the years. That reputation was forever sullied in 2016 when Assange showed that he could be the puppet for one dictatorial regime (Putin) to promote a proto-fascist (Trump). Then the lies that he used as a coverup! Hardly befitting the head of a “radical transparency” organization. It was all so grotesque and petty. Trump might have just disappeared after 2016 if he hadn’t been elected, but instead the world has to deal with the consequences of the MAGAts for the foreseeable future. It felt like Assange betrayed the underlying cause of Wikileaks in favor of petty revenge on Democrats.
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Would you evaluate the contents of the wikileaks leaks if they had released an equal amount of dirt on Trump?
I dunno, I guess that depends. Do they actively and publicly fuel a conspiracy theory that Trump had someone murdered like they did with the Clintons and Seth Rich?
That’s just from people intentionally reading into things that weren’t there and tricking idiots into believing it.
That’s a very weird thing to specifically be calling out compared to all the other real obvious dirt that was in the emails too. Like stopping Bernie Sanders and literally helping insane GOP candidates.
Play with fire and get burned
That’s just from people intentionally reading into things that weren’t there and tricking idiots into believing it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich#WikiLeaks_statements
So the odd thing about that is it specifically says Julian Assange says they (wiki leaks) won’t reveal their sources, and the rumors of it being Seth rich were propogated by the long list of bad actors.
The Muller report says it damning about the timing, but I don’t see Julian Assange himself saying it was Seth Rich at all.
From the wikipedia article:
Unbidden, Assange brought up the case of Seth Rich. When asked directly whether Rich was a source, Assange said “we don’t comment on who our sources are”
From the interview in question, Assange said (and this is a direct quote): “Wikileaks never sits on material. Whistleblowers go to significant efforts to get us material, and often at very significant risk. There’s a 27 year old that works for the DNC who was shot in the back - murdered - just a few weeks ago, for unknown reasons as he was walking down the street in Washington.”
Then, the interviewer asks Assange: “what are you suggesting?”
Assange replies, “I am suggesting that our sources take risks…”
Like, you don’t have to be a fucking Mensa member to draw a logical inference about what Assange is suggesting in regards to Sith Rich. You say “the rumors of it being Sith Rich were propagated by the long list of bad actors.” One of those bad actors was Julian Assange.
lol this comment is a great example of a lib grasping for a weak explanation instead of criticizing Hillary Clinton.
Hillary Clinton is a corporate shill, but you have to be fucking born yesterday to think wikileaks doesn’t play realpolitik or perform political favors.
This is what first past the post does to a country.
Countries without FPTP aren’t exempt from any of this problem. Australia and Japan for example use different voting systems, and far-right governments and parties are and have been on the rise there also.
That’s not what this meme is about though.
If you have two potential opponents, a slightly crazy one and a really crazy one, and you think you’re more likely to be able to beat the really crazy one then it’s a calculated risk to try and help the really crazy one beat the slightly crazy one for you. Your gamble doesn’t pay off if suddenly the really crazy one beats you though.
Not only that, the article states that they’ve only succeeded 4 out of 13 times getting the really crazy one nominated. So they’re playing with fire and wasting millions.
And if the four times they succeeded, how many times did they lose to the crazy opponent?
Which one is the slightly crazy one, would that be the one that’s conducting a literal genocide right now?
First of all, define “conducting”, second of all, you cannot seriously tell me you believe that Trump, if elected, will stop funneling arms to Gaza
Conducting as in actively engaged in supplying Israel with weapons used to commit the genocide, running political cover for Israel at the UN by doing vetoes of ceasefire resolutions, and attacking Yemen for interdicting shipping with Israel. I imagine that Trump will continue largely the same policies, but that just shows that both parties are genocidal fascists.
If it’s all the same to you, then, I’ll vote for the candidate that isn’t saying he wants to bring the fascism to our side of the pond. I’m not remotely condoning the genocide in Israel, dgmw, but given the choice between mass death over there, and mass death over there and mass deportations and anti-human rights laws back home, I’ll go with the first option.
I hate Joe Biden as much as the next leftist, and I am sincerely begging everyone reading this to vote for someone else in the Democratic primary, but if it comes down to Biden or Trump, please, please tell me that you will vote for Biden instead of staying home
Vote for whatever flavor of fascism that you feel fits you best. I’m not stopping you. Meanwhile, I’m not an American and I’m just watching your shithole country tear itself apart from the outside.
I’m not sure there’s anything I can do in this situation that would cause you not to call me a fascist. If that’s your position, find a different position.
If you think that voting for one fascist over the other makes you a good person then maybe take a bit time to think about your morals. Unlike you, I don’t need to do mental gymnastics to justify supporting fascists.
They’ve always been pretty open about supporting extremist nutjobs in swing districts, because extremist nutjobs do terribly in general elections in swing districts.
dismissing information based on mediabiasfactcheck is the height of idiocy, here’s another source for you https://www.npr.org/2022/11/11/1135878576/the-democrats-strategy-of-boosting-far-right-candidates-seems-to-have-worked
dismissing information based on mediabiasfactcheck
Dismissing information based on it coming from a badly biased source is smart. If the information is solid, then there will be other, credible sources that cover it, without the bias. The problem with taking information from a deeply biased source is that you have to try and fact check every single claim that they make in an article, because they’re inherently untrustworthy. If you want to waste your time tracking down sources to try and verify things, rather than just finding good sources to start, well, that’s a you problem.
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Coke and Pepsi game. Everyone does this.
China’s intelligence community is closer friends with America’s intelligence community than either of their own population.
Intelligence communities are closer friends with each other than their own people.
Since you have so much free time go find the list of people imprisoned by either country, executed by either country and killed either directly or indirectly by these countries. You’ll see what I’m saying.
They have a better chance of making money one way than another, that’s always what all of this is about. Money.
Intelligence communities are better friends with each other than their own people.
This is one of those I’m 13 and this is deep takes.
Money rules the world. It’s not deep, quite shallow in fact.
Like I said it’s an understanding a 13 year old would have.
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This is some next-level fucked up man-behind-the-man-behind-the-curtain conspiracy bullshit.
It’s literally a documented fact.
Has anyone reported on it aside from a self-proclaimed conservative news outlet?
Edit: Just found NPR reporting on it
That doesn’t change that this planet can’t burn up soon enough.
Yay context!
a number of Democrats tried to boost far-right Republican candidates whom they deemed easier to beat in November.
The strategy seems to have paid off: In high-profile races where Democratic candidates or groups successfully used the strategy during the primaries, all of the Republicans they helped have either lost or are trailing, two days after Election Day.
If the GOP wanted to counterattack, they could always start funding hyper-progressive candidates too 🙂
I think they discovered that was at least going on with Bernie
Yeah but then they stabbed him in the back because they were scared he would do well (which he probably would) and they are just as scared of the system actually being shaken up
A perfect example of short term thinking that plagues US politics. Democrats boosted popularity of the far right to win a primary. This directly contributed to the republicans party sliding further into MAGA territory. Now, dems are looking at a wipe out by Trump in the coming election. This continues the great tradition of liberals ushering in fascism.
This is so stupid. Essentially 50 million into the money pit.
Nice to see you truthful once in awhile. Many don’t believe that the US/Russia/China are backing far right around the world despite the fact
