Even as the threat of famine stalks the war-ravaged Gaza Strip, Israeli protesters have gathered repeatedly to stop desperately needed aid from getting into the Palestinian territory.
They are acting like every other group of people who was given special status. History is littered with the same cautionary tale. You cannot give any group of people special protections over another. It will always end in the group abusing their power for their own gain. Saddam did it in Iraq, Al-Assad did it in Syria, all of the colonial powers did it in Africa and those are just recent examples.
Removed for demonizing another people. But to be 100% clear here… Zionists aren’t genocidal because “they are human trash”. They are genocidal because they legitimately believe they are “God’s chosen people” and as such they have a right to expunge anyone not in their club.
Sorry, but Germans didn’t turn into Nazis because oft the Depression. There was a lot that lead to to uprising of the Nazis. Read about the Peace of Versailles or in German “Schmach von Versailles”. Also political culture in the Weimarer Republic which was massively focused on raw violence between the different groups. Read about deflation. Read about Franz von Papen and so on. Don’t search for excuses for right wing extremism.
Saying the Israeli people is on the same page or worse than Hitler adds nothing to the conversation and is, at best, just wrong. Best regards, a German.
PS: Don’t stop criticising the acts of the Israeli government and definitely the IDF, but stop generalising and making all Jews responsible. Otherwise you could also say that all Palestinians are Hamas.
Otherwise I wanted to make the point that comparing the Jewish people to the Nazis is wrong and only ads more oil to the fire. Criticise Israeli government, IDF, violent settlers, stupid people blocking neccessary aid for Gaza but don’t fall in the antisemitism trap where Jewish people even in other countries are held responsible for the actions of a right wing government.
But Melkath never even mentioned jews. He specifically said Israelis throughout his post. And he pretty clearly compared the Israeli people to nazis, not what you said, which was comparing jewish people to nazis.
It feels like you’re doing exactly what the German government is doing, which is equating criticism of Israelis and of Israel to antisemitism.
He called the Israeli people ‘human trash’ (Isreal considers itself state of the Jews). And he meant all of the Israeli people. What do you think this rhetoric leads to?
And as I stated multiple times above I am all in on criticising the Israeli gevernment and no I am not doing exactly what the German government is doing. I would argue for a stopping of all delivery of arms via the the German government and for a ceasefire asap. I see a huge problem with the way the Israeli government walked into the trap planted by Hamas and is now part of a war which may be labeled as a genocide. So why should you call all of the Israeli people ‘human trash’ when you could specify your criticism? It’s the same as calling all Palestinians Hamas.
Yes. And their big robust US built defense systems block virtually all of those attacks, leading to virtually zero casualties or property damage, as they perpetually use big robust US built weapons to pummel the Gaza strip daily, where they have no defense systems, where constant massive loss of life and infrastructure are endured.
The amount of bullshit you spew on a regular basis is pretty impressive. Your comment history is like an Israeli propaganda primer.
“It’s not a genocide, they’re just killing more civilians than combatants and starving out the population by blocking humanitarian aid, just like past genocides. But this one is different because it you object you’re automatically an anti-semite!”
“It’s not a genocide, they’re just killing more civilians than combatants
Every war in history kills more civilians than combatants. Normally that ratio is about 6:1.
starving out the population by blocking humanitarian aid,
Hamas is attacking aid trucks that are let in and stealing the aid to resell. It’s not starving the population to stop aiding the people attacking you.
The amount of bullshit you spew on a regular basis is pretty impressive. Your comment history is like an Israeli propaganda primer.
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Sure.
Lol, your rebuttals don’t even make sense. You know you’re on the Internet, right? You can actually look things up instead of making things up. I guess the problem is reality doesn’t match the propaganda you choose to believe, since the alternative is realizing you’re promoting genocide.
Every war in history kills more civilians than combatants. Normally that ratio is about 6:1.
Hamas is attacking aid trucks that are let in and stealing the aid to resell. It’s not starving the population to stop aiding the people attacking you.
Hey look guys, not only is Hamas in refugee camps and hospitals, Hamas is now in the IDF, shooting refugees trying to get aid! Hamas has also infiltrated the Israeli population and staged that pathetic “rave” that blocked humanitarian aid. Man, Hamas is everywhere!
Back at you.
Yes, I’m clearly a mouthpiece for Israeli propaganda. I know you’re not much of a thinker, but come on.
This is more info for anyone on the fence. Don’t believe the Israeli genocidal propaganda, kids. It’s way too easy to disprove.
Right cuz 30,000 dead in 4 months is nothing. Did you think a genocide means every Palestinian is dead in 4 months? If that happened, every country on earth would have declared war on israel two months ago and every israeli official would be in prison for crimes against humanity.
As it is, the vast majority of scholars and countries do recognize it as a genocide and even America, israels biggest supporter, is saying maybe they should stop the killing of innocent civilians.
If the pace of killing and bombing keeps up for another year, I could guarantee a million Palestinians would be dead. Give me an exact number that israel has to reach before you admit it’s a genocide. Seriously, give me a number.
Given the incompetence of the Hamas led defense, no 30k in 4 months is surprisingly low. Gaza is incredibly small and incredibly dense. They (the IDF) has to use incredibly modern munitions to airstrike single buildings and minimize collateral damage.
If the IDF went full Russia and simply WW2 artillery barraged Gaza similar to Bahkmut I’d expect 250k+ casualties.
If that happened, every country on earth would have declared war on israel two months ago and every israeli official would be in prison for crimes against humanity.
Unlikely.
Give me an exact number that israel has to reach before you admit it’s a genocide.
6:1 is the UN acceptable civilian to military casualty rate before they generally start investigating a conflict as a genocide. There’s an estimate 50k Hamas fighter in the Strip. That’s a theoretical headroom of 300k civilian casualties. That’s the number that would make me think it’s more than likely not a genocide.
What does Hamas incompetence have anything to do with civilian deaths?
And what kind of math is that? 50k Hamas would have to be killed for the 300k number to matter. The actual number of Hamas killed is way way lower. There is some dispute over the exact number, but between 6-12k which would be between 36-72k civilians killed.
I understand your position, but I’m still concerned that it is an attempted genocide due to the high number of civilian casualties, the methods israel has been taking such as using phosphorus bombs and pushing all civilians south to Rafah and then starting to bomb Rafah as well, and just by what israeli officials have said that are genocidal in nature.
You’re that type of prick that thinks if someone steps on your grass, you should shoot em dead and rape their corpse, aren’t ya?
No you’re mistaken. The side you support raped and paraded the raped bodies through cheering crowds. The other side is trying to recover people who were taken as sex slaves in the original slave raid.
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They are acting like every other group of people who was given special status. History is littered with the same cautionary tale. You cannot give any group of people special protections over another. It will always end in the group abusing their power for their own gain. Saddam did it in Iraq, Al-Assad did it in Syria, all of the colonial powers did it in Africa and those are just recent examples.
Certainly not all of them fit this bill, just like how not all Americans are vicious Trump supporting lunatics.
Israelis overwhelmingly support this “war”, though. Not to mention the Israeli right is growing, not shrinking.
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I need to stop reading stuff here. It’s just too dumb. Maybe blocking on the community level is the way to go. That’s how dumb your take is.
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Removed for misinformation. Biden is NOT the architect of the genocide.
What a stupid and historically blind take. Don’t make excuses for Nazism and especially don’t reduce the path to it to hunger.
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Removed for demonizing another people. But to be 100% clear here… Zionists aren’t genocidal because “they are human trash”. They are genocidal because they legitimately believe they are “God’s chosen people” and as such they have a right to expunge anyone not in their club.
Sorry, but Germans didn’t turn into Nazis because oft the Depression. There was a lot that lead to to uprising of the Nazis. Read about the Peace of Versailles or in German “Schmach von Versailles”. Also political culture in the Weimarer Republic which was massively focused on raw violence between the different groups. Read about deflation. Read about Franz von Papen and so on. Don’t search for excuses for right wing extremism.
Saying the Israeli people is on the same page or worse than Hitler adds nothing to the conversation and is, at best, just wrong. Best regards, a German.
PS: Don’t stop criticising the acts of the Israeli government and definitely the IDF, but stop generalising and making all Jews responsible. Otherwise you could also say that all Palestinians are Hamas.
Can you refer to anything more specific? Your reading tips are so incredibly broad and would take hundreds of hours.
How good is the translation via Deepl or other tools? This should be a broad overview, but it’s German.
You could also try English Wikipedia for more background.
Otherwise I wanted to make the point that comparing the Jewish people to the Nazis is wrong and only ads more oil to the fire. Criticise Israeli government, IDF, violent settlers, stupid people blocking neccessary aid for Gaza but don’t fall in the antisemitism trap where Jewish people even in other countries are held responsible for the actions of a right wing government.
But Melkath never even mentioned jews. He specifically said Israelis throughout his post. And he pretty clearly compared the Israeli people to nazis, not what you said, which was comparing jewish people to nazis.
It feels like you’re doing exactly what the German government is doing, which is equating criticism of Israelis and of Israel to antisemitism.
He called the Israeli people ‘human trash’ (Isreal considers itself state of the Jews). And he meant all of the Israeli people. What do you think this rhetoric leads to?
And as I stated multiple times above I am all in on criticising the Israeli gevernment and no I am not doing exactly what the German government is doing. I would argue for a stopping of all delivery of arms via the the German government and for a ceasefire asap. I see a huge problem with the way the Israeli government walked into the trap planted by Hamas and is now part of a war which may be labeled as a genocide. So why should you call all of the Israeli people ‘human trash’ when you could specify your criticism? It’s the same as calling all Palestinians Hamas.
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Nice discussion culture you are having here. Might mistake lemmy for reddit.
Go back then.
Feel free to leave.
You missed, they get attacked almost daily.
Yes. And their big robust US built defense systems block virtually all of those attacks, leading to virtually zero casualties or property damage, as they perpetually use big robust US built weapons to pummel the Gaza strip daily, where they have no defense systems, where constant massive loss of life and infrastructure are endured.
Virtually zero is not only far from zero, it doesn’t excuse constant aggression.
Hamas’ incompetence isn’t a defense.
There is no excuse for genocide.
Stop advocating for genocide.
It’s not a genocide. It could easily be one given the technology difference. It’s clearly not one.
You are incorrect.
I disagree.
The amount of bullshit you spew on a regular basis is pretty impressive. Your comment history is like an Israeli propaganda primer.
“It’s not a genocide, they’re just killing more civilians than combatants and starving out the population by blocking humanitarian aid, just like past genocides. But this one is different because it you object you’re automatically an anti-semite!”
Sure.
Every war in history kills more civilians than combatants. Normally that ratio is about 6:1.
Hamas is attacking aid trucks that are let in and stealing the aid to resell. It’s not starving the population to stop aiding the people attacking you.
Back at you.
Lol, your rebuttals don’t even make sense. You know you’re on the Internet, right? You can actually look things up instead of making things up. I guess the problem is reality doesn’t match the propaganda you choose to believe, since the alternative is realizing you’re promoting genocide.
Verifiably false. It’s approximately 50%. Even up to 2007, Israel was able to kill Palestinian militants versus civilians at a rate of approximately 2:3. Suddenly, it’s over 1:2. It’s almost as if all the videos and journalist eyewitness accounts of the “most moral army” indiscriminately killing men, women, and children are actually true! They’ve killed so many civilians, they’ve wiped out more than that US did in its three year campaign against the Islamic State.
Hey look guys, not only is Hamas in refugee camps and hospitals, Hamas is now in the IDF, shooting refugees trying to get aid! Hamas has also infiltrated the Israeli population and staged that pathetic “rave” that blocked humanitarian aid. Man, Hamas is everywhere!
Yes, I’m clearly a mouthpiece for Israeli propaganda. I know you’re not much of a thinker, but come on.
This is more info for anyone on the fence. Don’t believe the Israeli genocidal propaganda, kids. It’s way too easy to disprove.
Right cuz 30,000 dead in 4 months is nothing. Did you think a genocide means every Palestinian is dead in 4 months? If that happened, every country on earth would have declared war on israel two months ago and every israeli official would be in prison for crimes against humanity.
As it is, the vast majority of scholars and countries do recognize it as a genocide and even America, israels biggest supporter, is saying maybe they should stop the killing of innocent civilians.
If the pace of killing and bombing keeps up for another year, I could guarantee a million Palestinians would be dead. Give me an exact number that israel has to reach before you admit it’s a genocide. Seriously, give me a number.
Given the incompetence of the Hamas led defense, no 30k in 4 months is surprisingly low. Gaza is incredibly small and incredibly dense. They (the IDF) has to use incredibly modern munitions to airstrike single buildings and minimize collateral damage.
If the IDF went full Russia and simply WW2 artillery barraged Gaza similar to Bahkmut I’d expect 250k+ casualties.
Unlikely.
6:1 is the UN acceptable civilian to military casualty rate before they generally start investigating a conflict as a genocide. There’s an estimate 50k Hamas fighter in the Strip. That’s a theoretical headroom of 300k civilian casualties. That’s the number that would make me think it’s more than likely not a genocide.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/13/politics/intelligence-assessment-dumb-bombs-israel-gaza/index.html
Half of their bombs are not modern bombs.
What does Hamas incompetence have anything to do with civilian deaths?
And what kind of math is that? 50k Hamas would have to be killed for the 300k number to matter. The actual number of Hamas killed is way way lower. There is some dispute over the exact number, but between 6-12k which would be between 36-72k civilians killed.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-12000-hamas-fighters-killed-in-gaza-war-double-the-terror-groups-claim/
I understand your position, but I’m still concerned that it is an attempted genocide due to the high number of civilian casualties, the methods israel has been taking such as using phosphorus bombs and pushing all civilians south to Rafah and then starting to bomb Rafah as well, and just by what israeli officials have said that are genocidal in nature.
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No you’re mistaken. The side you support raped and paraded the raped bodies through cheering crowds. The other side is trying to recover people who were taken as sex slaves in the original slave raid.