I can’t believe some of the points Linus made against the Fairphone, especially given he’s onboard with the same compromises for the Framework laptop. 🤭

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    Eh, I stopped paying attention to Linus after the whole debacle last year.

    Hmm, no, actually I think I stopped paying attention to him quite a long while ago. I think once they went all in on the clickbaity titles and just non-content, algorithm filler.

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      I first reevaluated my perception of him (shall we say) after that AWFUL “let’s try Linux” series, and it didn’t exactly get better from there.

      The Microsoft ball gargling is ridiculous on its own

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        The Linux series was one of the best, because it showed what would happen if someone who didn’t know what they were doing tried to move to Linux. Linux shills have been preaching “it’s the year of the Linux desktop” forever now, but since it’s so different from windows and macOS there’s a massive learning curve that only shows up once you’ve switched.

        I would bet 8/10 people who have used windows/macOS for 30+ years would have many of the same problems as Linus did. I know I’ve made many of the same mistakes that were made by Linus/Luke in that series, including accidentally nuking my DE.

        Linux sucks as a desktop if you aren’t already familiar with Linux from the terminal. There’s a few edge cases, but for the most part it’s not a good experience if you do anything more than web browsing.

        I’m no Linus shill, though I do enjoy their content for the most part. He’s not a tech god like people make him out to be, he’s just a slightly above average tech nerd who’s a good presenter. And that’s the audience that the Linux shills are trying to push the OS onto.

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          I think what you’re saying is that Linux desktop is going to be a bad experience if you come in with your expectations from macos or windows. In neither of those can you “accidentally” uninstall your de because you’re not reading terminal prompt.

          This kinds of problems are for people who think they know what they’re doing

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            Tech doesn’t get wider adoption if you expect every user to know what they’re doing. And without wider adoption, devs don’t get on board and apps don’t get made. Lowering the learning curve improves the experience for everybody, especially with linux where we can have different distributions with different target audiences.

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              I agree, but we’re not there yet. As of now, you’ll need to at least try to read what you’re approving in terminal

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            But to avoid this you could run a VM and restore to a snapshot but that’s not really switching to Linux. Windows/Mac users should generally not just jump into Linux but transition to it.

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        I liked him when he was more authentic. Back when they were filming out of a house, rather than some compound, just doing silly shit like that whole office water cooling.

        Now it’s all about him blowing tons of cash on his house, or his studio, or just shilling/shitting on everything.

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          blowing tons of cash on his house,

          By making a video of it it becomes a deductible business expense. Use backyard pool for water-cooling video? Free pool.

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        His let’s try Linux series was amazing. Showing how dogshit it really is when you get out of the circlejerk.

        For those that haven’t seen it: His Pop-OS desktop environment got un-installed by Apt when he tried to install Steam.

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          So many people forget that while they understand how to use a Linux terminal and how Linux on a high level works, not everyone does. Plus, learning all of that takes time, effort, and tenacity, which not everyone is willing to do. Linus’s whole conclusion was that as long as that learning curve exists and as long as it’s that easy to shoot yourself in the foot, Linux desktop just isn’t viable for a lot of people.

          But Linus has done a lot of public fuck ups therefore everything he says must be inherently wrong.

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            I’m an absolute mouth breathing imbecile, with no IT/SysAdmin/Otherwise technical background or knowledge outside of what I gained by just being a typical windows user.

            I cold turkey switched to linux with relatively few issues with nothing but a weekend of sporadic research done beforehand. Learning curve for everyday shit hasnt been that deep or curvy.

            Its not 1997. Linux is not that hard to use, even for gaming. Especially with some modern distros built specifically for the task (like Nobara)

            No, its not for everyone, but its not this incomprehensibly obtuse and mystical monstrosity that people try to constantly paint it as, 30 years ago maybe, but not anymore. as long as you can follow basic instructions and have a modicum of common sense (Which is asking a lot from the average person, I know…)

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              Most people are not interested in tech. To them, doing any amount of research about computers will be a chore and something they will try to avoid. They don’t care about the linux philosophy, or open source, and just want a computer that works for them as quickly as possible. So naturally they use Mac or Windows like all of their friends.

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                I dont give a shit about my OS.

                I didnt switch cause I saw the blessed light of open source software or anything like that.

                I switched cause I fucking hated Windows 10, and absolutely fucking loathe windows 11 and the direction they are taking their operating systems. and my choice was to take Windows 10/11, or to go Linux… and I went Linux.

                So you can say I switched under duress

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              I spend far more time dealing with issues in Windows than I do Manjaro. I only boot my windows partition when I absolutely have to

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                  Fewer years than I’ve been using windows. 20 years of Linux, 25 years of Windows. I personally think the stigma that Linux has is due to the past. I would agree that it was difficult at points in the past.

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                    The thing is that your 20 years greatly skews your perspective on what easy is compared to someone who has never used it. And I agree, it’s never been better, but for a lot of people, it just isn’t there yet.

                    My main issue with it is that it’s so fractured, it’s greatest strength is also it’s greatest weakness OSS often lacks standardisation and Linux is a victim of that.

                    Its slowly getting there, I mean I think it’s awesome that SystemD is used by so many distros, it’s some commonality between them all.

                    But then you get Ubuntu trying to be smart and using dash, then it breaks scripts and I want to scream. So there are those actively making it worse, lol.

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                Fuck, I made a hackintosh and windows was still more maintenance intensive if you’re the type that doesn’t like persistent problems. Most windows users just close error windows until something completely breaks and act dumb when I have to fix their shit. One time, Windows 10 auto update broke and I have to reinstall from scratch because none of the fixes worked. I spent about 10 times longer doing trouble shooting then I would have just doing a clean reinstall.

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                  Yup, and I’ve spent hours troubleshooting dumb fucking issues on Linux servers that often end up with me just blasting it away and starting again because the further I get into it, the more shit I find broken.

                  Linux is stable and repeatable, that’s why it’s great for servers. But I’ve wasted way too many hours of my life troubleshooting dumb problems that shouldn’t even be problems and often I just say fuck it and rebuild it. I don’t want to do that on my desktop thanks. Especially because sometimes I do random mindless shit. Look how Linus uninstalled his UI because he didn’t know any better. The last time I uninstalled the entire UI on windows was when converting a Server 2012 machine to server core.

                  But I think the bottom line is, let people use what they want.

                  My friend only uses arch and there’s a few games we want to play together but it doesn’t work on Linux, there’s also plenty of times we have to wait while he’s troubleshooting shit when we want to play games.

                  He’s an SRE with about 22 years of experience. It’s not even a skill issue.

                  We often jokingly say “have you tried using windows?” or “this wouldn’t happen on windows” and dumb shit like that. But he uses Arch and wr all accept that and that there are some issues and the things said are in jest. He sometimes hits us with the same shit. But overall we respect that we want different things from our PCs and I do enough of this shit at work for me to want to do anything at home besides click on some UI shit and things just work.

                  Its okay to be different and it’s okay if you use Linux and I use windows, bashing on about how bad it is isn’t winning any friends or favor and the general toxicity with this shit puts a lot of people off of even trying Linux.

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                    Yup, and I’ve spent hours troubleshooting dumb fucking issues on Linux servers that often end up with me just blasting it away and starting again because the further I get into it, the more shit I find broken.

                    This is exactly what I did with windows (mostly 98 and XP) when I had a problem. Troubleshooting and fixing always took longer than just nuking and reinstalling. So I kept all my data on a separate partition/drive, with backups of bookmarks/emails/etc, so I could quickly and easily restore back to where I was.

                    Windows 7 was the bomb though, So fucking stable and issue free. Think I only had to nuke due to problems twice in the whole time I ran it, every other install was due to hardware failures/migrations. Such a good OS.

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          Step 1: open “pop shop” in the task bar

          Step 2: search for “Steam”

          Step 3: Click download

          This concludes my guide on how to download Steam on Pop!_OS.

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              1. Steam was in the pop-shop at that time.
              2. The start up guide explains what the pop-shop is.
              3. Meaning Linus just ignored this user friendly option because…idk why.
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                That is what he did. Then when Pop Shop threw an error, he looked up other ways to install it, and ended up doing it in the terminal through apt. Though his system was not up to date, so it got messed up and he removed his DE in the process. All he needed to do was make sure to update his system after that fresh install BEFORE he started installing things.

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                  You’re right, I rewatched it for better context. Not a lot of detail on what he tried, it kind of just skipped forwards.

                  I also think it’s funny how he talks about doing everybody from a newbies perspective while using a Threadrpper and Titan PC with XLR peripherals lol

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                idk why.

                You know why.

                Do you think he’d have gotten as many eyes on the video if it went smoothly and he read what he was supposed to?

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                    TIL any video thats ever gotten popular or viral was thanks entirely and 100% due to the thumbnail and not at all due to the content.

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      I gave up a while back, and can’t really nail down what actually got me over the edge to stop watching.

      Really didn’t help that the one time I checked back in, because I hadn’t seen anything from him in a bit (prior to the latest scandals), all the latest uploads was him being totally unrelatable and barely even tech-relevant while trying to heat his pool with his water cooling loop.

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        I ignored him for years because of his click bait video images, but then started liking him due to the scrap yard wars. But then quickly grew tired of his regular content after a couple of months with what a shill fest the entire thing was from their begging for likes to begging to buy their merch to begging for patreon.