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I dont know why you keep arguing that encryption should only be used to discuss dangerous stuff. It should be used to discuss private stuff. Like when I sit with my friends and talk, I want it to be private, not recorded in clear text and saved on some server. Not because it’s illegal or sensitive, but because it’s fucking private. And I can’t do that with Telegram, because it’s doesn’t encrypt my information.
Yes “cloud chat” is not end to end, but only encrypted to the server. That’s what all services to including Facebook and Instagram. If it’s not end to end it’s useless.
Now you’re just denying the obvious. You complained chats on telegram are not encrypted, and that’s false.
That’s what all services to including Facebook and Instagram.
Since both Facebook messenger and Instagram messenger use e2e you seem to really mean just Facebook and Instagram websites. And I wonder how could they be functional if they used e2e.
No I’m being serious here.If it’s not end-to-end encryption in groupchat, it’s not private. And Telegram does not provide e2ee in groupchat. Thats the whole issue. Signal does that. Even iMessage does that.If it’s not e2e somebody else does have access to your chats. In this case everybody with access to Telegrams servers, can read your group chats. And that makes it useless IMO. That is not the case with Signal.
Well then it really is “hey one company decided to do it this way so anything less than that is no longer acceptable” for you. For me, it’s not all about absolute security. From my experience, people seeing my messages through the app and people accessing my phone is much more dangerous than people seeing my messages on a server used by the service. I know roughly what e2e for group chats implies and reasons why it’s not implemented everywhere asap. We’ll see where this leads Signal, maybe we’ll also see cases of someone accessing data on Telegram servers etc.
For now, I mainly use my PC, so not going to infect it with another electron app, or recommend it among friends.
Even iMessage does that.
Seems false as I didn’t find confirmations for that.
I know roughly what e2e for group chats implies and reasons why it’s not implemented everywhere asap
It’s not implemented because it requires more resources and Telegram is too cheap to offer that. The same reason Telegram does not encrypt chat by default, but you have to actively choose secret chats. It’s a way for Telegram to save money on server ressources. Both Signal and iMessage can provide e2e encryption for 1-1 messages and group messages and sync across devices.
Seems false as I didn’t find confirmations for that.
All messages between iMessage clients are end-to-end, also groups, it has been so for years, it’s not news. iMessage has other problems, mainly that the private key is synced in iCloud by default (you can turn this off), and that Apple save a bit too much meta data. So iMessage is not perfect. It is still better than Telegram. As you can see here https://security.apple.com/blog/imessage-pq3/ Telegram have not even implemented a post-quantum cryptographic protocol, both Signal and iMessage have that.
For now, I mainly use my PC, so not going to infect it with another electron app, or recommend it among friends
We can agree that the Signal desktop app is kind of clunky, and I do hope it gets better in the future. Telegram might provide some usability, but it’s not much better than using Facebook, if your concern is privacy. Mainly because the lack of e2ee in default chats and group chats.
I dont know why you keep arguing that encryption should only be used to discuss dangerous stuff. It should be used to discuss private stuff. Like when I sit with my friends and talk, I want it to be private, not recorded in clear text and saved on some server. Not because it’s illegal or sensitive, but because it’s fucking private. And I can’t do that with Telegram, because it’s doesn’t encrypt my information.
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No group chats are not.
Could you just read the thing? Private and group chats are called cloud chats and the image above describes them. Below is a graph for secret chats.
Yes “cloud chat” is not end to end, but only encrypted to the server. That’s what all services to including Facebook and Instagram. If it’s not end to end it’s useless.
Now you’re just denying the obvious. You complained chats on telegram are not encrypted, and that’s false.
Since both Facebook messenger and Instagram messenger use e2e you seem to really mean just Facebook and Instagram websites. And I wonder how could they be functional if they used e2e.
It’s not and you probably realize that much.
No I’m being serious here.If it’s not end-to-end encryption in groupchat, it’s not private. And Telegram does not provide e2ee in groupchat. Thats the whole issue. Signal does that. Even iMessage does that.If it’s not e2e somebody else does have access to your chats. In this case everybody with access to Telegrams servers, can read your group chats. And that makes it useless IMO. That is not the case with Signal.
Well then it really is “hey one company decided to do it this way so anything less than that is no longer acceptable” for you. For me, it’s not all about absolute security. From my experience, people seeing my messages through the app and people accessing my phone is much more dangerous than people seeing my messages on a server used by the service. I know roughly what e2e for group chats implies and reasons why it’s not implemented everywhere asap. We’ll see where this leads Signal, maybe we’ll also see cases of someone accessing data on Telegram servers etc.
For now, I mainly use my PC, so not going to infect it with another electron app, or recommend it among friends.
Seems false as I didn’t find confirmations for that.
It’s not implemented because it requires more resources and Telegram is too cheap to offer that. The same reason Telegram does not encrypt chat by default, but you have to actively choose secret chats. It’s a way for Telegram to save money on server ressources. Both Signal and iMessage can provide e2e encryption for 1-1 messages and group messages and sync across devices.
We can agree that the Signal desktop app is kind of clunky, and I do hope it gets better in the future. Telegram might provide some usability, but it’s not much better than using Facebook, if your concern is privacy. Mainly because the lack of e2ee in default chats and group chats.