• hark@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    The machine didn’t do anything. They built a targeting “AI” that is trained on bullshit data, which likely doesn’t distinguish between Hamas targets and civilians, but it’s ultimately these genocidal bastards who decide when to kill and they choose to do so far more often than not. They’re throwing the “AI” buzzword in to add a layer of abstraction between themselves and the genocide they’re perpetrating.

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      9 months ago

      And knowing some Israelis, people to say this know full well what they are doing, just think everybody else is either a bastard or an idiot.

      It’s a real cultural problem, they have a very simplistic society in terms of discussing politics and morality, seems like some small town, only it’s a country of 8 million.

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    9 months ago

    Human life dictated by a machine on who to kill. You need to be so fucking cold and evil to be okay with this.

    Not only is it heinous it’s also obvious this is just a testing ground for it. Think about it, a testing ground that the test is how many you can kill using AI. We need an amendment to the Geneva convention

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      9 months ago

      Even if you got US and Israel to sign it, Russia, China and The Saudis would never.

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          9 months ago

          I actually have no idea who sold what in this case and it’s actually not even remotely relevant since the discussion was about updating the Geneva convention and who wouldn’t sign.

          However, you seem to imply that Israel lacks the knowledge and resources to create the Lavender system themselves. Intriguing! Please elaborate with some links supporting your claims.

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            9 months ago

            Nah mate, I’m quietly suggesting that the US arms Israel to the teeth to preserve US interests, influence, and economic strength. They ain’t going to do anything that rocks that boat.

  • SkyezOpen@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Ai is trained on input data, and if their input data is on past idf strikes then it’s no fucking wonder they’ve killed so many journalists.

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        9 months ago

        Right so because they aren’t obvious in a crowd it’s better to murder the whole crowd? Are kids Hamas? Cuz there’s a whole lot of murdered kids on Israel’s hands.

        Sound logic my guy

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            9 months ago

            You apparently think that you can’t get punished for unfinished genocide, or for one that you didn’t like. As if punishment were some expense for doing it. It’s not, and nobody owes fiends anything (and due process doesn’t exist between states).

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        9 months ago

        You’ll soon see that nuance is dead on Lemmy. Hamas indubitably commits war crimes en masse, as does the IDF, but morons will only ever excuse those of Hamas, rather than condemning both sets of actions.

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          9 months ago

          I think nuance goes out the door when tens of thousands of innocent civilians are butchered in the name of defense. Hamas is bad, that doesn’t excuse Israel’s actions.

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            9 months ago

            I don’t agree. Neither the IDF nor Hamas fall under Geneva Convention (GC) protections because both have brazenly and repeatedly contravened it, thus excluding themselves under the GC’s own stipulations. They are both doing sick shit and are both lending more fuel to each other’s propaganda fires.

            • TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world
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              Oh so human rights just end when some armed folks feel like and that’s all fine and dandy?

              And why ought Palestinian civilians be subjected to the disregard of human rights that the IDF and even Hamas have? Sounds like you are thinking of the Palestinian people as interchangeable with Hamas, such as the people may be punished by their acts and they can’t complain about it.

              You speak of nuance but if anything you are erasing nuance. “Both sides bad so it’s all fair”. Nevermind relative civilian death tolls, infrastructure and household damage. Nevermind the whole history of this conflict going back decades.

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                9 months ago

                Absolutely not, but when you insist on putting words in my mouth and then arguing with that straw man, there is little use in arguing. You are here to hold forth, not discuss.

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    9 months ago

    The purpose of a system is what it does

    According to the cybernetician, the purpose of a system is what it does. This is a basic dictum. It stands for bald fact, which makes a better starting point in seeking understanding than the familiar attributions of good intention, prejudices about expectations, moral judgment, or sheer ignorance of circumstances.

    The AI is “supposed” to identify targets, but in reality, the system’s purpose is to justify indiscriminate murder.

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    9 months ago

    It sounds sinister until you remember that Hamas wipes it’s ass with the Geneva convention and regularly disguises fighters as civilians.

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    9 months ago

    Being a terrorist should be incredibly dangerous. Terrorists shouldn’t feel safe anywhere, especially not at home. No sympathy from me.

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      9 months ago

      The vast majority killed aren’t terrorists. Just yesterday, Israel killed seven World Kitchen humanitarian aid workers in their World Kitchen labeled cars that were authorized by Israel to be there. Three cars, targeted one after another, all bombed. The tops of the cars had the logo so they wouldn’t be bombed.

      The IDF is a terrorist organization

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      9 months ago

      This is pure insanity, but at least I can see the kind of insane thinking that allowed Germans to live their comfortable lives just a few kilometers away from concentration camps. When you say “Hamas is from Palestine, therefore Palestine is a target” and you manage to convince yourself that infant civilians are an acceptable casualty then you are no better.

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      9 months ago

      Agreed. Israeli “Defence” Forces soldiers should not feel safe anywhere, hence the endless resistance from Palestinians.

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      9 months ago

      Israel is a terrorist state, allied to Azerbaijan, a terrorist state, both openly engaging in terrorist activities. Yet their soldiers and other state agents feel themselves very safe.

      Considering that, what Hamas did was horrible, but no Israeli has the right to complain. If Israelis want to have human rights, they shouldn’t be complicit and approving of genocide.