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I will be very sad when he goes. Regardless of his success or lack thereof during his presidency, I don’t know that a better person in general has been president. The man devoted his post-presidency to building houses for the poor (with his own two hands) and eradicating guinea worm… and never showed up to say something on the endless news cycle unless he had a specific point to make.
Still the only nuclear physicist peanut farmer to win the Nobel Prize for international peace and human rights. Incredible man.
Wait he was a nuclear physicist? TIL
Yup. He earned his degree while working as a nuclear submarine technician for the Navy.
He was also sent by Admiral Rickover to help Canada recover from the Chalk River nuclear accident in 1952.
Nuclear engineer. He had a degree from the Naval academy and was a nuclear technician in the Navy.
The most Presidential of all our former Presidents. I will shed tears at his passing.
He was the only modern president who sincerely asked himself ‘What would Jesus do?’
And then told himself, “those are rookie numbers.”
I remember when Carter was president. I always respected him. In the early 2000s i remember getting so much shit for defending him. I’m proud to be an American when I think of him and his legacy. He is a good man and I hope that he will be remembered in a positive way. He was truly wronged by the Republicans and the Iran Contra shit will forever be a shadow over the good that Carter tried to create in the middle East.
I imagine if the dirty tricks Reagan pulled or like if Gore wasn’t cheated or even Hillary got 4 years, the world would be a much better place than it is.
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You should probably get your facts straight first, your oversimplified version of what happened is a mockery of what happened
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_invasion_of_East_Timor
No.
Fact is Carter’s administration sold those weapons. It wasn’t a secret what Indonesia was looking to use them for.
Yeah you clearly don’t understand the basics.
The basics that
A) Carter sold weapons to Indonesia
B ) It’s the Cold War
C ) To empower brutal murdering authoritarians like SuhartoJust as whenever America armed some authie in South America or anywhere else in the world, we know what it was going to be used for.
But please share your “basic”.
The fact that I provided you the information, spelled out and you continue to spout idiotic nonsense is just amazing.
First thing
The Indonesian invasion of East Timor, known in Indonesia as Operation Lotus began on 7 December 1975
James Earl Carter Jr. (born October 1, 1924) is an American politician and humanitarian who served as the 39th president of the United States from 1977 to 1981.
Facts.
The Commission for Reception, Truth and Reconciliation in East Timor documented a minimum estimate of 102,000 conflict-related deaths in East Timor throughout the entire period from 1974 to 1999, including 18,600 violent killings and 84,200 deaths from disease and starvation; Indonesian forces and their auxiliaries combined were responsible for 70% of the killings.
During the first months of the occupation, the Indonesian military faced heavy insurgency resistance in the mountainous interior of the island, but from 1977 to 1978, the military procured new advanced weaponry from the United States, and other countries, to destroy Fretilin’s framework.
In an interview on 5 April 1977 with the Sydney Morning Herald, Indonesian Foreign Minister Adam Malik said the number of dead was “50,000 people or perhaps 80,000”.
The UN’s Commission for Reception, Truth and Reconciliation in East Timor (CAVR) estimated the number of deaths during the occupation from famine and violence to be between 90,800 and 202,600 including between 17,600 and 19,600 violent deaths or disappearances, out of a 1999 population of approximately 823,386.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_invasion_of_East_Timor#US_involvement
For US President Gerald Ford and his administration, East Timor was a place of little significance, overshadowed by US–Indonesian relations. The fall of Saigon in mid-1975 had been a devastating setback for the United States, leaving Indonesia as the most important ally in the region. Ford consequently reasoned that the US national interest had to be on the side of Indonesia.[84] As Ford later stated: “in the scope of things, Indonesia wasn’t too much on my radar”, and “We needed allies after Vietnam”.
Let’s not forget Harry Kissinger
As early as December 1974—a year before the invasion—the Indonesian defense attaché in Washington sounded out US views about an Indonesian takeover of East Timor.[86] The Americans were tight-lipped, and in March 1975 Secretary of State Henry Kissinger approved a “policy of silence” vis-à-vis Indonesia, a policy that had been recommended by the Ambassador to Indonesia, David Newsom.[87] The administration worried about the potential impact on US–Indonesian relations in the event that a forced incorporation of East Timor was met with a major Congressional reaction.[87] On 8 October 1975, Assistant Secretary of State Philip Habib told meeting participants that “It looks like the Indonesians have begun the attack on Timor.” Kissinger’s response to Habib was, “I’m assuming you’re really going to keep your mouth shut on this subject.”[
So let’s go back to the original argument here. That Carter sold a bunch of weapons and caused all the deaths.
Clearly that’s not what happened.
I hope you never find yourself standing in judgment for the worst thing you ever did.
Sure?
Was that meant to be like a bad thing?
The worst I’ve ever done is so minor compared to this.
We didn’t deserve Carter. And we showed it.
300,000 people in East Timor certainly didn’t deserve Carter supplying Indonesia with the tools to carry out genocide.
Fuck off, this has been addressed elsewhere.
We get it. It’s been addressed. You don’t have to reply to everyone about it.
It’s very easy to forget why Carter was largely considered a middling President in his time.
Between his fumbling of the Iran Hostage Crisis, his public sector strike breaking, and his Volcker Shock Economics, he set the stage for Reaganism and the end of Progressive Era politics.
But then he did Habitat for Humanity which was nice. And he talked a good game on climate change. And he called Israel Apartheid as he saw it decades before any other mainstream politician.
to be fair, the republicans conspired with the iranians in secret to hold the hostages until after the election in exchange for money which the us used to buy arms for terrorists in central america.
The Ayatollah buying scud missiles from Donald
TrumpRumsfeld and Oliver North was crazy, when you consider how much the GOP say they hate Iran and love Reagan.But Tip O’Neal and Ted Kennedy and a young Senator from Delaware whose name I can’t recall brushed it all under the table. The sentence for these henous crimes landed on North’s shoulders and totaled
a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours of community service
But even that was too much.
with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, North appealed his conviction to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. On July 20, 1990, the D.C. Circuit vacated North’s convictions on the ground that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.
The Aristocrats!
That’s gotta be a bit of a smudge on the ACLU
They’ve got a very checkered past. Very much a “rights are for whites” organization in a lot of cases.
Backing Klan and Nazi parades while dropping off the map in the face of the Stonewall Marches, the anti-war movements, and BLM.
They’ve been near useless when it comes to abortion rights, police brutality, and refugee rights, as far as I’ve seen.
Sorry bud, it’s hard to understand what you’re saying with Jinping’s cock all up in your mouth like that
Neither of us live in China, and they had nothing to do with the atrocities the US facilitated under Carter (which admittedly, is less than any other recent president), why are you bringing them up?
He did good things after the presidency, but acknowledging that Israel is an apartheid state fails to make up for excluding Palestine from the Camp David accords.
Because that’s where your half-baked talking points are coming from, comrade.
Is it really inconceivable that someone could organically not like genocide?
Any American who acknowledges that every president for the last century has done things we hanged Nazis for at Nuremberg must have been tricked by outside forces?
No, that part’s not inconceivable. The inconceivable part is that you claim to not like it while also defending the undisputed kings of it. Mao makes Hitler look like a fucking amateur lol
lmao what? Life expectancy nearly doubled since the communists took over, and now they’re similar to OECD nations.
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CHN/china/life-expectancy
But also the audacity of calling China “the kings of genocide”, while the whole world watches in horror while we facilitate a genocide in Palestine and beat the living shit out of anyone who protests it.
Every accusation a confession.
Godspeed, Mr President.
He was President when I was born, and it will be sad to see such a genuinely decent person depart this Earth. He did so much for so many.
Probably the last truly good person to hold the presidency. Godspeed.
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The Villages
florida? STD capital of america?
Yikes.
Obama, Biden
East Timor (genocide), Afghanistan (Operation Cyclone started under Carter), Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, and Bolivia (Operation Condor).
Don’t know why your being downvoted. Ppl are acting like he was Jesus incarnate. He was probably the most honest president in recent history but when all of them are war criminals that’s not saying much.
“But those people were brown, they don’t count”
He was a truly great person. He didn’t do so well at politics, but that’s because he was such a good person.
I’ve never thought of it that but you’re likely right.
You’ve given it your all. More than most can say. And, you’ve done it while taking it on the chin the whole time from lesser people and politicians. You are/were a great man!
Incredibly sad. A great President and human being.
I find it sad that president from the late 70s showed more care for his constituency and broader world during the cold war than what our current president seems to be actively avoiding during a self funded genocide.
… And that the current president is BY FAR the better of the two potential options offered; and that people still say “I don’t care if the absolutely terrible guy gets in as long as I show my displeasure for the incumbent by not voting. That’ll stick it to everyone.”
It is really shocking how much this election resembles 1980 tbh.
i find it sad that americans see this as ‘weak’.
One of the consequences of the Cold War was a sense of domestic nationalism that fell apart when the USSR did. No point in working together without a singular globe spanning enemy to work against.
Ironic that Ayn Rand’s anti-communist philosophical selfishness came out of Soviet Russia in the 40s, and that’s what will likely bring the American Experiment to an end.
a great president and an even greater human being
Just let him go in peace. Stop following him around with a camera.
He is truly a wonderful and selfless person. I can think of way worse people much easier than I can think of truly great people. He’s up there with Fred Rogers in my book. Jimmy, thank you for you service, bless you and your family. I hope there is no pain. 🫂💐
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For future readers unaware, Carter earned his degree in nuclear physics before/during his duty in the navy aboard a nuclear powered submarine.
I’m surprised he didn’t go when his wife did, as usually happens with older couples
