Lead Lemmy Developer, Dessalines, denying the Tiananmen Square Massacre and praising the Uyghur Genocide
https://sh.itjust.works/post/8419342
Dessalines AKA “parentis_shotgun” on Reddit, is the main Lemmy dev, also the admin of lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml.
Their post and discussions on Reddit (archive as the original post must have been removed):
Please join the discussions for Lemmy.ml tankie censorship problem:
https://lemmy.world/post/16211417
And the discussions for finding/creating alternative communities on other instances:
https://lemmy.world/post/16235541
What is a tankie?
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes or their allies. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical.
All Marxist-Leninists are Marxists, not all Marxists are Marxist-Leninists.
It’s accurate to describe them as Marxists still.
technically accurate sure, but it implies that all marxists are tankies, which is absolutely not true.
what precisely would be the problem with referring to them by the specific term for what they are?
What separates Marxists from Tankies? I’ve seen dozens of definitions of tankie.
It’s important to recognize that Marxist-Leninists far, far outweigh the number of anti-Lenin Marxists. You don’t have to agree with Lenin to acknowledge that at this point he is almost as relevant to Marxism in a geopolitical context as Marx himself.
I’m sorry but wasn’t Marxism-Leninism developed by Stalin? You’re agreeing with Stalin, not Lenin, aren’t you? Partly with Lenin as well, sure, but you’re forgetting Stalin here. Or is that a marketing thing?
Stalin used Lenin’s ideas, because he was pretty much carrying them over. Stalin was merely the one to coin the term, not really the ideas behind it.
Lenin was a Marxist, he didn’t consider himself a “Leninist.” It’s like how Jesus was Jewish, not Christian, though please don’t take that metaphor any further, comparing Lenin to Jesus is not the intent.
Lmao
I can be funny from time to time, haha
I thought Lenin used his interpretation of the communist manifesto to develop Leninism (even if he didn’t call it that). Then Stalin “improved” on that and developed Marxism-Leninism and then Mao “improved” it further and made Marxism-Leninism-Maoism. They’re all Marxism, but like… Super Saiyan 1,2,3 etc versions of them.
Kinda? Lenin’s ideas aren’t a morphing or changing of Marxism, and it certainly wasn’t just the Manifesto, but Marx’s actually important works. Lenin looked at Marxism, studied it, and applied Marxist analysis to his conditions in Tsarist Russia. Notably adding his analysis of Imperialism and Revolution.
Mao did the same thing, applied Marxism (and took inspiration from Lenin) with respect to China’s conditions.
The reason why Marxism-Leninism is by far the most common is because we are still clearly in the age of Imperialism as described by Lenin, and his analysis is still valid. Rejecting Lenin is very unusual for Marxists, because Lenin basically applied Marxism to the contemporary era where Revolution has been delayed due to super-exploitation of the third world in exchange for super-profits.
oh i see now you’re on lemmy.ml lol, good thing i avoided that endless bad faith argument
What part of that was bad-faith?
Some folk identify the .ml (or the pronouns of hexbear users) and work backwards from there.
Simply: the bad faith was having .ml there in the name. I’ll take him for his word and bet that’s what was meant.
*edit And it isn’t like I haven’t seen wingnuts go “.world eh? More like .nazi!” as well. It is just that whole general vibe with the people who all up and comment about blocking shit.
Unfortunate, but probably correct.
I’ve had enough bad faith interactions with lemmy.ml accounts that it’s become helpful to expect it from them.
Sure there are some actual people over there who are willing to engage in a fair way, but its not worth rolling the dice.
You poor helpless baby
your accusation of bad faith is, itself, bad faith.
Kind of but not really. They’re state capitalists.
How so? Where along Lenin’s analysis of Marxism does there become a jump away?
Uh the fact that the workers didn’t own the means of production but the state did. Spare me all the philosophical pretzels about how the state WAS the people haha.
Since when does Marx say that a Worker-State isn’t Socialist? You may wish to revisit Critique of the Gotha Programme. No need to read Lenin there! Marx was no anarchist.
I’m not an anarchist. But pretty sure “Capitalism but the booj is the government”. Isn’t Communism
That was Nazi Germany, not the USSR.