The Labour party has won over 400+ seats (out of 650) in the 2024 UK General Elections, and Keir Starmer is expected to replace Rishi Sunak as Prime Minister. The Conservatives, in power for the last fourteen years, have suffered a rout, losing over two-thirds of their seats. The SNP has collapsed in Scotland, mostly to Labour, and the Liberal Democrats have gained over sixty seats.
Well, at least the was one election where Nazis didn’t win big.
They didn’t do that bad really, it just wasn’t reflected in the results. A new further right party showed up and split the right wing vote, which is largely why Labour won. If you look at the total votes the righter win parties did pretty well (Tories are really all that right wing but they did get the right wing vote).
Yeah, as much as I hate everything Farage stands for, fair play to him for splitting the Tory voters and delivering a Labour government. I just wish that kind of thing wasn’t necessary.
Mind describing to us what you consider a right, but not far right, political stance is?
There was an anti-genocide independent running against Starmer (the new PM) and they came in second. Image if they had won: biggest Labor majority in generations, you are all set to become PM and you loose your seat because you were vague about whether you support or oppose killing innocent women and children.
Labour lost four seats to independents running against its inaction on Gaza.
Among smaller parties, the Liberal Democrats have gained over 60 seats, and Reform, the Greens and Plaid Cymru have also gained seats. Former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, now contesting as an independent, retained Islington North. Labour lost another three seats to independents who ran against its inaction on Palestine. The SNP and DUP suffered big losses, while Sinn Fein’s fortunes seem to have remained unchanged.
Very impressed with the Greens - four seats is double what was expected. Great result for them.
The Lib Dems have also come out of this really well.
I voted LD because I had to to ensure the Tory candidate didn’t get in, but I had to hold my nose while doing so. Last time I voted for them nationally was 2010, and we all know how that panned out.
To be fair to them though, after the 2015 election they had so few MPs that you could tag them all in a single tweet. So to have 71 now is impressive.
People will hold their noses just the same for the Tories in 5 years’ time, after them having done way worse things than just not quite holding their coalition partner back a couple of times.
What Clegg conceded was bad, but 14 years might be enough exile and personnel churn for one to give them a new chance.
Small gains 💪
Is jeremy corbyn considered to the left of the Labour party?
Yeah, starmer kicked him out for not being centrist enough, which is why he ran independent (and beat the labour candidate)
and now they can kick out Kier and reinstate Jeremy! right!? right?? in my dreams
Nobody voted for Corbyn, that’s why he isn’t the leader of the Labour Party anymore.
Yeah it was just that simple. He wasn’t being smeared as an anti-semite constantly by both the right wing of his own party and the British media. None of that ever happened.
All those people have probably been branded as anti-Semites now, too. Love and learn though.
To be fair, more people voted for Corbyn in 2017 and probably even in 2019 (still some votes to be counted at time of writing so that could change but it’ll be close either way) than voted Labour in this election (12.8 million 2017/10.2 million 2019 vs 9.7 million so far in 2024).
It’s just an artifact of FPTP and to some extent overall turnout (which was very low this election) that the results in terms of seats look so different.
He was just elected again.
Murikan here. I really like Corbyn. He feels like your version of our Bernie Sanders.
He’s better than Sanders, especially on foreign policy.
He’s a national treasure
To the left of the current Labour leadership, yes.
I think it is safe to say he is just left wing. Corbyn also self identifies as a socialist.
Labour hasn’t been left wing atleast since I started living.
Not to be nit-picky, but I’m pretty sure they kicked him because they thought he was antisemitic, not because he was too left wing.
That was the knife they used to stab him in the back with.
i hope this is an omen for what is to happen in the US
I think it’s important to note that the primary reason the conservative party lost many of their seats is because their vote was split between them, and an even more right wing party led by Nigel Farage. It wasn’t because of a huge shift to the left (or at least the centre left position the labour party occupy right now).
In my constituency for example, if you put the conservative + reform votes together, they would have beaten the nearest competitor by a country mile.
i think the primary reason was that the tories were a tragic, worthless mess and the reform racists were there to pick up the protest vote and the lib dems, the others. the low turn out were the tories that couldn’t even be bothered.
i see the republicans in a very similar situation
That’s what I originally thought would be the case. But, just statistically (looking at voter share here):
2019: Cons: 43.6% Lab: 32.1% LD: 11.6% SNP: 3.9%
2024: Lab: 33.7% Cons: 23.7% Reform: 14.3% LD: 12.2% (Weirdly, wikipedia has yet to include reform in their share ranking had to use BBC)Labour picked up less than 2% more of the vote share. Reform took the vast majority of the tory lead away.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad the tories are out. But, it’s mostly because reform split the vote and Labour were second place in most constituencies. This is important to bear in mind while the conservatives sort themselves out to decide how they deal with not being right wing enough…
By that statement though, the LibDems split the left vote and so if your going to compare, you’ll need to add the liberal vote to the Labour as that’s where they would go if LibDems disappeared.
You could be right, but I am not so sure.
In terms of percentage, the lib dems made a smaller gain than labour. I’d also suggest that while maybe some of those votes came from wavering labour voters, I expect that at least a similar number would have also come from the tories. I don’t think the lib dems split the vote any more than they normally do.
Reform, while not new, last time round they did not compete against the tories. This time, they did and the result is clear.
also just because numbers didn’t change much doesn’t mean voters didn’t
i think a lot of labour voters in struggling communities went to reform which means labour got voters from elsewhere to keep up their percentage.
who know what the reform voters will do when they realise their vote was wasted in 5 years. also a lot of tactical voting will unwind.
Which would make the best chance to keep Trump out would be a third candidate that was a “moderate” republican. Somebody that took the more centrist base away from him.
The US is going to have Trump. Biden is too senile to be president again and people know it. That last debate probably demotivated many people to even go vote and they won’t be voting for alternative candidates.
Maybe that’ll teach people to vote for independents and the DNC to stop propping up geriatrics.
Have you heard Trump?
“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.”
And the trump supporters are like “omg yeah you’re so right, wow, isn’t he clever”
The people considering voting or considering voting for Biden are a completely different demographic from the people voting for Trump, so this comparison is meaningless.
It is?
nah he can be a better president than trump from his death bed
An overwhelming majority by seats but only 33% of the popular vote.
36% voted Tory/Reform so voters have not shifted left but split the more right wing vote
We already have the left wing vote split by Labour, Lib Dem and Green.
If you want to claim the 36%, you’ll need to add up the left wing parties together.
Not left wing. Just left.
None of them are left wing (maybe Green has some left wing stuff?)
green is definately left wing, they’re hardly anti immigration and pro-big business, anti environmental regulation, are they?
But that’s better than nothing, right?
And ~54% of the votes went to left(ish) parties, so that’s something
I fear that next election reform is going to do much better.
In the mean time, Labor may not have much of a mandate for progressive policies, they’ll be creeping to the right to quell support for reform party.
Or having them in parliament might expose them as the one trick pony that they are.
I think Labour have to have a real effect on things in the next 5 years to show that the system can work. That will take the wind out of the right’s sails more than anything. Most of the reform vote is people feeling ignored, trod upon, thrown away. Labour has to make the people feel supported.
Perhaps.
I’m less optimistic. The world over voters seem to be drawn towards these populist assholes, and I think it’s important to note that the UK is not an exception, despite the labour victory.
Its missleading to bass too much on that analysis. The parties don’t compete for the popular vote but to concentrate votes within seats they feel they can win.
No one was aiming to win the popular vote. I agree that’s a problem but we can’t really read to much into the split imo.
Let’s hope my doomongering is just that, with other countries in Europe starting to swing that way I hope it’s not sign of the future.
Now kill Brexit!
Not going to happen. They even said it’s not going yo happen.
I heard that they probably won’t, because they are afraid that they would lose support from the large amount of Brexit supporters that now voted labour.
lol and his soft stance on Brexit was part of why pundits said Corbyn lost. Talking out both sides of their mouths. Party full of fuckin’ snakes.
How do you convince the EU to let us back in?
We’ll need a couple of Labour terms before they’ll answer the phone.
EU demands are the easy part. It’s rather obvious what they would be. Something along the lines of: ‘The UK can rejoin at any time, but without all the special treatment it has been receiving.’
Try to convince the people that’s good. Will another referendum still be in favour of rejoining, if you have to accept the Euro new immigration laws, maybe the metric system and other standards?
I have some doubts there.
Can we have some of this in the US, please? While we still exist.
Pretty sure our right wing is left of your left wing. So no you can’t have it because you don’t have a system that supports anything other than the right-wing hellscape you got now.
Yeah. There is no left wing party here. Decades of right wing propaganda have convinced our populace of the Ingsoc motto. 😭
Leadership that detests trans people and wants to genocide Palestinians? You’re in luck, bud! You get that no matter who wins!
Now watch them do nothing of consequence.
Oh I’m sure they can privatize the NHS some more. Maybe make some more arms sales to Israel. Cut off healthcare for trans people.
They’ll do all sorts of stuff!
Right, forgot about those devastatingly important priorities.
watching from abroad it seems that keir has got no incentive or menace to make him go more to the left, which means he won’t do it and sees this victory as a reward to his positions. meanwhile tory tactics of incorporating farage’s discourse has finally broke down, and the votes they made out of it have returned to their rightful (pun intended) owner. libdems did their homework. sad for the snp and well deserved for the dup.
The problem is presuming someone needs incentive or malice to do that. The guy was soft-left and known to be so for years, right up until the very second he ran in the leadership election against corbyns heir Rebecca Long Bailey. At that exact moment, as if by magic, he became a neoliberal.
Its almost as if people made it up.
Fuck yeah!
