• 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮@lemm.ee
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    12 days ago

    Some kind of commie drivel that’s literally incomprehensible since the last nail in the coffin of scientific Marxism in the 70s

    You can even see identity politics held at the gunpoint to make it more appealing to minorities though no one knows how those matters relate to any of this

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      12 days ago

      So no, no one understands it.

      What was the last nail, exactly? I don’t see how swapping out neo-liberal drivel with “scientific Marxist drivel” would be any improvement

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        11 days ago

        https://josephheath.substack.com/p/john-rawls-and-the-death-of-western read it

        I want to emphasize that several of the greatest minds in political philosophy of the 20th century spent the better part of two decades working the salt mines of Marxist theory, trying to make the “exploitation” critique of capitalism work and every single one of them gave up and became an egalitarian. Surely that should count for something! Anyhow, there’s no need to take my word for it, the library is full of books.

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          11 days ago

          This is garbage why should I care about what some nerd with a sub stack thinks about other academics? Intellectuals suck, Marxist intellectuals are no exception. So in the wake of MacCarthyism, at the dawn of Neoliberalism, intellectuals in universities were being pressured to gravitate away from Marx. No shit. Does this mean they were correct to do so? Well the death of the militant labor movement around the same time would give us some indication.

          Why would you care so much to try and ensure that people don’t read very good books that you likely havent read? Seems like someone with an axe to grind. But let me assure anyone who is reading this, Marxist Intellectuals are as big a pain I’m the ass, and kind of necessary, as they are in any other org. The problem isn’t with the intellectuals though, it’s that there’s not enough regular working people who read and understand revolutionary theory to push back against them and their tendencies toward splits and polemics and laziness.

          This is the problem with not reading Marxism though, the basis of the argument is “all these smart people stopped studying Marx” and takes it for granted that it is because the source material was somehow incorrect. And maybe some of it was, there’s no shortage of that. But that explanation completely ignores structural and social pressures that would have been a clearer and more direct explanation than, “all at once all these smart nerds left Marxism, so they must have been right to do so.” This is not what causes a mass exodus. What causes someone to leave a field of study for another one is the threat that their livelihood will be taken away.

          Its so funny I wonder if this would have worked on someone who was new to Marxism. Homie I’m so far gone, if you think this post might be the reason someone would give up on reading Marx that person would have to be already unfamiliar. Actually engaging with other Marxists will do more to run you out of Marxism than this goofy ass nerd ass substack

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          12 days ago

          Wow 70 years of history is so flat, it just folds right up in your pocket like that, stunning. Its possible you’ve left a few details out

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          The ussr managed to get nearly all of the firsts in the space race while spending less than a tenth of what the US spent to lose nearly all of the firsts in the space race.

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            12 days ago

            Cool cool what did that earn them by the 70s? How well off were they into the 80s? Switching to oligarchy capitalism didn’t help them, though, they still used the Energia Engines from 1988 until 2017, but where they really struggled was Chemistry and Medicine.

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            11 days ago

            So why/how is the US such a tragic thorn in your side?

            Why is the biggest loser in history the eternal focus of your rage?

            Because of the lies you want us to forget lmao

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        11 days ago

        https://josephheath.substack.com/p/john-rawls-and-the-death-of-western Here, amazing essay from renowned prof

        I want to emphasize that several of the greatest minds in political philosophy of the 20th century spent the better part of two decades working the salt mines of Marxist theory, trying to make the “exploitation” critique of capitalism work and every single one of them gave up and became an egalitarian. Surely that should count for something! Anyhow, there’s no need to take my word for it, the library is full of books.

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          Some academics became liberals after having flirted with Marxism. This is relevant why exactly? I mean, I can cite many great minds who remained Marxists and even advanced the theory. Ever heard of Paul Cockshott? Alan Contrell? David Zachariah? Emanuel Farjoun?

          These guys (and some others) actually worked on Marxist economic theory and modernized it. They lived through the collapse of the USSR and remained steadfast in their beliefs. And I haven’t talked about countless other minds in anthropology, history, contemporary social studies and philosophy who have used dialectical materialism as a foundation to achieve great results.

          And so I want to emphasize something.

          every single one of them gave up and became an egalitarian.

          Is blatantly and literally false.