Let’s see the cost difference here as well.
Vegan is expensive AF if I’m expected to like for like replace normal with vegan (ie. Vegan cheese)
I lean vegetarian because fuck living without eggs, butter and cheese lol
Personally speaking I’d do a vegetarian thanksgiving without tofurky. People try to hard to replicate meat. Just accept no meat and be done with it. It’s so much better.
For the record I’m doing a turkwy for Christmas and it will be delicious lol
Yes, meat actually has a very limited flavour palette itself and you can get great variety without it. When I first when veg the “meat” was seriously ass, too. At this point if you’re socially in a burger situation there’s actual options.
Butter can be subbed out pretty easy and cheaply, to my taste buds, though. The wonders of vegetable oil hydrogenation and diacetyl.
I’m not a vegan and I take issue with you saying you’ll have a delicious turkey… I’m not sure such a thing exists.
That said, I DID just finish putting one in a brine…
I do turkey once a year because I am not a fan. It will be delicious to never be seen for another year lol.
I’ve become more vegetarian friendly over the years but Jesus I hate this fake meat trend. Some of us frankly don’t care about not having something that tastes like meat. I don’t want an ass beyond burger I want an awesome homemade black bean burger.
I get we are trying to encourage people who would eat meat to not eat meat but it’s really like tying your hand behind your back when it comes to enjoying your food because it will never match meat so why try?
Veggies rule.
Strong agree. I don’t want food pretending to be other food so I eat it, I just want food that tastes good.
Best takeaway of eating more vegetarian meals. I don’t have to worry about those gross bites of meat where a bone slips in or grisel. Ewwwwww
False. Best takeaway is the fiber increase. It it is nice to have fewer nasty bites though.
Also, when I DO opt for a steak I don’t feel as bad spending more money and really making a production of it.
Oooh good call. The poops are amazing lol
Cheese has been one of the hardest things for my partner and I to give up
It’s cheap, tasty, and it’s a decent source of protein
We’re finally getting tasty vegan cheese (Rebel cheese is a favorite of ours) but it’s expensive and often is pure fat.
I’m hoping we’ll get more innovation in vegan cheeses but in the meanwhile I’m going to keep looking for good alternatives
Should be on the way.
My favorite is Violife - damn tasty, especially if melted.
I like violife for places where I’d use shredded cheese. It’s a decent option for pizza and especially for tacos. I just wish it was as rich in protein as animal cheese
Has Violife improved in the last few years? I remember trying it 3 or 4 years ago and genuinely gagging
I know daiya changed their recipe and it’s much improved - though i still prefer violife - not sure if they’ve changed since I only first encountered them ~3 years ago
Maybe I’ll give them another go!
Do you need a different cheese for each use case? Like a good vegan cheese to sprinkle on as a topping, a good one that will melt, one to have on sandwiches, and so on?
I imagine you would. I’ve tried a few vegan varieties and had pretty bad luck: it has all tasted like the cheapest diner version of that cheese or butter I’ve ever had. So far kinda unfortunate.
Yeah, different cheese work better in different contexts. You wouldn’t want a pile of shredded mozzarella for a cheese plate nor would you want slices of deli cheese for a pizza
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once again, poore-nemecek is used to mislead people
You’re basically the only person who cares about the deep details of how the definitely-true fact that meat is more polluting gets calculated, commie.
if it’s definitely true, we would have solid data to support that claim.
No, there’s plenty of things that are obviously true but just hard to measure to a really high standard.
Do you have solid data supporting that meat is just as green? If absence of evidence is evidence…
I dont have enough reliable data to make any conclusion.
And yet you push the opposite conclusion really hard. Sure you never say it, but the dog whistle is deafening.
you’re making a leap of logic
TIL stuffing isn’t normally vegetarian
Stovetop has animal products. Some of the others are seasoned bread crumbs, tastes great with vegetable stock.
Mushroom stock is my go-to.
It had a ton of organ meat the way my grandmother made it. This is Canada, though, so it’s a bit different from American thanksgiving food.
Stuffing as in, stuffed into an animal carcass… If you cook it in a pan it’s called dressing
In the context of OP’s graph, the two terms are presumably interchangeable. Otherwise, stuffing would be left out of the vegetarian column like in the case of the turkey. And besides normally being cooked in a carcass, the actual contents of the stuffing/dressing I’ve had were always vegetarian. OP’s graph lists two different values for environmental impact of vegetarian vs non-vegetarian stuffing/dressing, meaning that the contents of the stuffing/dressing are different. The impact of the turkey is already accounted for in the turkey row. That number doesn’t change if you stuff a bunch of bread in its abdominal cavity.
Is this saying that Mac n cheese is worse for the environment* than turkey?
*Produces more CO^2
Yes
The single dish with the highest carbon footprint is not the meat — it’s the mac n cheese.
Yeah the dairy industry is truly awful for the environment, far worse than all poultry industries. If we magically eliminated cows and pigs, the resulting meat eating of just fish and poultry wouldn’t really be a talking point in terms of CO2 emissions.
Yeah the dairy industry is truly awful for the environment, far worse than all poultry industries.
I don’t know if this has been substantiated reliably
Can someone explain to a European wher Mc’n cheese is please?
Cooked pasta (macaroni noodles are short elbow-shaped tubes) typically mixed with milk and one or more cheeses mixed until smooth.
Of course, the vegan varieties would use dairy substitutes.
Thanks!
Is it like a kids meal? Or is it tradition on thanks giving? We have some bizarre stuff sometimes on christmas like lutfisk or sauce you dip weird bred into for example.
Kids do like it, but it’s a pretty common side dish option. I probably make it… Once a week. And I have since before my wife and I had kids.
It feels like some sort of lasagna version, and lasagna is awesome! So an american classic I guess? Thanks for the insights!
It’s a side dish. Common staple of the American diet, like the mashed potatoes
It’s a British recipe…
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So many downvotes without any comment, seems smart.
I haven’t voted on this post, but the data is not really presented in a beautiful or especially interesting way.
I didn’t downvote, but I’m so goddamn tired of them pushing responsibility onto us for something we had maybe 1% responsibility in creating. Stop suggesting a solution that accounts for .0000001% of a solution to a problem it’s becoming increasingly obvious none of the true culprits are even pretending to be interested in solving anymore. Especially when those lifestyle changes literally just translate into somehow even higher profits for the truly responsible parties.
Stop feeding us back-patting, self-congratulatory non solutions to a catastrophic problem bearing down on us while the solution we truly need is radical change brought about only through action that comes when we stop accepting a complicit comfort and exchange it for righteous anger.
The article actually goes into some nice detail, but people wouldn’t know that from the extremely obvious title.
OP is posting this as a narrative with a preachy agenda, and that will turn people away before they even get to the content.
It’s not really preachy, it’s a conclusion based on the data.
The title is preachy. It is correct based on the data presented, but still preachy. The title of the article is good.
The data itself is probably fine, but it’s hand picked to come to that specific conclusion. I’ve had many vegetarian Thanksgivings, and I’ve never had Mac and Cheese at one.
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