It’s probably true that Netanyahu funded Hamas for cynical reasons. The Israeli right-wing coalition definitely needs to go. But you can’t justify Hamas terrorism againsr civilians because the Palestinian people are angry and oppressed. Hamas has agency. They aren’t some inexorable force of history. They choose to be terrorists. Hamas was already a radical terrorist organization in its own right, and was duly elected by the people of Gaza as such. Fuck those raping terrorists.
All this back-and-forth revenge is, of course, just a vicious cycle and shouldn’t continue. But I am a little tired of this faulty reasoning that Israel is the bad guy just because they are more powerful. Palestinians and Israelis have both done things to provoke violence and both sides have, at various times, rejected peace and compromise. But Hamas is unambiguously a terrorist group that stokes division and whose sole purpose is to eliminate Israel. Hamas is a barrier to peace and will get no sympathy from me.
Israel is the bad guy because they are more powerful.
You refer to Hamas as rapists but not the IDF? You don’t mention the bold land grabs and settling of Palestinian land.
Israel is a terrorist group. They aren’t treated as such because they are a Nation, they’re only a nation because that isn’t their land other people lived there first.
You literally touch on every reason why Israel is the first to blame yet refuse to commit to blaming them. When Israel faces consequences then we can talk about Hamas until then it is their fault.
This is not a zero tolerance bullshit school fight. Israel punched first and second and third and forth while having more money and resources and legal power over Palestinians. Hamas wouldn’t exist in this way without Israel.
No. Absolutely no to everything you said. When Bibi swings from the gallows we can tear apart Hamas all we want. Until then you play into the bully’s hand.
they’re only a nation because that isn’t their land other people lived there first.
That is true of every nation. Literally everyone lives on land that was occupied by some other tribe in the past. The really ironic thing about saying that the Palestinians were there “first” is that the UN used precisely that originalist doctrine to justify creating Israel for the Jews in the first place!
Sorry, I don’t understand what you are trying to say. How are Israel, Canada and America different from Britain and China? And how do the Irish fit into it?
Nice ignoring of the point that the Jewish were there first being the rational for creating Jewish settlements there to begin with.
For the inevitable downvoters, regardless of who is to blame it’s important that those of us discussing this attempt to understand the point the other is making even if we disagree with it.
From what I see in this conversation there’s one person putting their points across reasonably and there’s another throwing whatever cards they have randomly at the board.
It’s probably true that Netanyahu funded Hamas for cynical reasons. The Israeli right-wing coalition definitely needs to go. But you can’t justify Hamas terrorism againsr civilians because the Palestinian people are angry and oppressed. Hamas has agency. They aren’t some inexorable force of history. They choose to be terrorists. Hamas was already a radical terrorist organization in its own right, and was duly elected by the people of Gaza as such. Fuck those raping terrorists.
All this back-and-forth revenge is, of course, just a vicious cycle and shouldn’t continue. But I am a little tired of this faulty reasoning that Israel is the bad guy just because they are more powerful. Palestinians and Israelis have both done things to provoke violence and both sides have, at various times, rejected peace and compromise. But Hamas is unambiguously a terrorist group that stokes division and whose sole purpose is to eliminate Israel. Hamas is a barrier to peace and will get no sympathy from me.
Israel is the bad guy because they are more powerful.
You refer to Hamas as rapists but not the IDF? You don’t mention the bold land grabs and settling of Palestinian land.
Israel is a terrorist group. They aren’t treated as such because they are a Nation, they’re only a nation because that isn’t their land other people lived there first.
You literally touch on every reason why Israel is the first to blame yet refuse to commit to blaming them. When Israel faces consequences then we can talk about Hamas until then it is their fault.
This is not a zero tolerance bullshit school fight. Israel punched first and second and third and forth while having more money and resources and legal power over Palestinians. Hamas wouldn’t exist in this way without Israel.
No. Absolutely no to everything you said. When Bibi swings from the gallows we can tear apart Hamas all we want. Until then you play into the bully’s hand.
That is true of every nation. Literally everyone lives on land that was occupied by some other tribe in the past. The really ironic thing about saying that the Palestinians were there “first” is that the UN used precisely that originalist doctrine to justify creating Israel for the Jews in the first place!
So you understand then why Israel is fully to blame?
Everyone does live on some other tribes land. But Israel, America, Canada are different than British and Chinese history in that way.
This is modern day. Those things are still felt. Hell the Irish still feel how the British treated them.
Sorry, I don’t understand what you are trying to say. How are Israel, Canada and America different from Britain and China? And how do the Irish fit into it?
Imperialism
WTF? Dude, time to go back to school and take some history courses. You literally made me laugh out loud.
Oh I’d love to hear what you have to say. Go on then.
I’m not the one that made the strange claim and I’m not your history professor. But if I was, I think you’d be struggling on the midterm right now.
Nice ignoring of the point that the Jewish were there first being the rational for creating Jewish settlements there to begin with.
For the inevitable downvoters, regardless of who is to blame it’s important that those of us discussing this attempt to understand the point the other is making even if we disagree with it.
From what I see in this conversation there’s one person putting their points across reasonably and there’s another throwing whatever cards they have randomly at the board.
Nice ignoring of the point that
the Jewish were there first being the rational for creating Jewish settlements there to begin with.THERE’S A GENOCIDE HAPPENING BOB.
Nothing else fucking matters beyond that. Once that fucking stops we can play these games. Otherwise you’re just pearl clutching and arguing semantics