Well I no longer will be recommending proton to people. Can’t trust anyone this stupid with privacy.
I use Proton mail, any recommendations for alternatives?
Posteo
Keep a proton for situations where you can actually use the encryption. Most of the time the encryption is as useless as a VPN.
Also keep in mind all it is is pgp with a directory lookup. I think proton made their pgp directory lookup more open in the last few years, so it may not have any real benefits.
This wouldn’t have anything to do with US internet restrictions would it? Like how multiple states place age verification on porn sites? Like how more restrictions would pop up in a MAGA admin to keep it “safe”.
That wouldn’t benefit Proton at all now would it? They don’t serve a product that would circumvent those restrictions right? A product they sell?
If you just want to watch porn, free protonvpn is enough.
Well thats a fuckin shame.
Good to know. Bye Proton.
ivpn and Tutanota for email/calendar/contacts. And honestly, if you’re comfortable with self hosting your own stuff, Nextcloud can manage your files, calendar, contacts and all kinds of other stuff.
I wouldn’t trust tuta necessarily…not that they are bad, just that I think their account retention is weaksauce.
Just canceled my subscription and let them know in the comments it was because of this.
It’s a shame. As soon as my current VPN ran out, I was going to give them some money. I guess he should have kept his MAGA thoughts to himself.
Same
I hate that he is going the Zuckerberg route, but Democrats don’t have the best record on privacy & so I can understand to an extent why a VPN provider might not be as friendly to the party many of its users were expecting them to.
I also have on several occasions expressed my own doubts about Proton prior to this & been attacked by the same groups on the left acting like it was sacrilegious to even question them.
It is amusing to watch them suddenly turn on something because the person said something about politics that they don’t agree with.
I’m glad you find it amusing. Have you considered the reasons why somebody might want a private and encrypted email? Perhaps a person living in a country where their life would be at stake if the contents of said email account were to become public? Do you think that might apply to people in a country where the person being praised by Andy said he wants to strip many minorities of their rights?
I can deal with Andy Yen being a dumbass in his own time, but the official Proton reddit account doubling down on this shit is over the line for me.
I literally just renewed for 2 years a couple days ago. I will be looking for alternatives and hopefully I can get a partial refund or something.
Was about to pay for proton. Not now
I’m glad I never did. I looked into proton a few months back and was highly suspicious of their non-profit status. I could never put my finger on why but felt off.
Glad I never fully committed to it.
There’s Mullvad.
Do you happen to know any alternatives for their email? Some security guy on YouTube was talking about how their email aliasing is better because if you lose a single email/password combo, you’re not subject to any other breaches.
I mean I already use a password manager since I adopted KeePass like 15 years ago and use Bitwarden now, but I still like that concept.
Posteo or tuta or fastmail.
Depends on if anyone you message uses proton. If they do, you can always get their pgp key and save it to thunderbird. If nobody you know uses proton, there is no benefit to their service over the above.
I have heard Tuta is good.
Mentioning that Democrats are trash on dealing with corporations is just fine. Good, even.
Lying through your god damn teeth that Republicans are going to do anything other than lie to gain more leverage for their jihad to fuck over their fellow man is delusional at best.
Fuck. I was procrastinating on buying into their VPN and drive service to de-googlify. Looks like that’s off the menu and I am deleting all my burner accounts now. Fucking bruh.
Mullvad is better and cheaper VPN
Sync, icedrive, filenio, etc are fine storage options
I was thinking about perhaps moving things to Proton, being European and all, and touting privacy etc. Looks like that won’t happen.
Any good alternatives that have the password/identity manager and email? I’m ready to switch.
Addy.io instead of simplelogin
Bitwarden for pass (see also passky, vaultwarden, and passbolt, plus keepass+syncthing)
Posteo mail/cal
Sync, icedrive, filenio, or any number of competitors for cheap file storage
Getting real fuckin tired of having to always find ‘alternatives’. Can’t yall rich bastards just stop being weird and be content with making good products. Just cause you have money, doesn’t mean you need to have a public opinion on anything, ever
This is what I feel is the core problem of out-of-bounds capitalism today. 50-80 years ago there were fabulously wealthy people as well, but they were taxed out the wazoo and were still fabulously wealthy. And even though every corporation’s goal is, and always has been, to make profit, it feels as if it’s gone from “profit” to “maximum possible profit at ALL costs, including the damnation of life on the planet”.
We have plenty of examples of hypercapitalism destroying us in fiction (cyberpunk etc.) but our current reality is really really close to that hellscape. In some ways it’s actually worse because of the insidiousness and banality of the evil that lords over us daily.
Sorry im not from the US… what is a “wazoo”?
wazoo = anus
It’s written as “up the wazoo” or “out the wazoo.” “Wazoo” in this context means “ass” and the meaning as a whole is “in large amounts.”
Where a kazoo goes.
It’s just a figure of speech to denote “completely”, or “very much”.
Anyone who becomes rich will work to protect that wealth.
Gotta support FOSS alternatives.
Buy your own domain and use a service like mailbox.org which is in Germany.
Also super easy to move to a new email host later when you have your own domain.
Does posteo support “catchall” addresses?
I corrected my comment, I was thinking of mailbox.org which supports custom domains and catchall too.
They didn’t a few yeara when i looked into it, thats why i switched to proton
People forget that the current antitrust actions against Big Tech were started under the first Trump admin.
So shut the fuck up Andy, you’re out of your element.
What does ths forced backdoor have to do with the text you quoted?
Is it true though? Not sure it’s the case: Lina Khan was nominated by Biden.
Is it true though?
Yes. AG William Barr sought to force backdoors in encryption in 2019. You can read all about it in the article I linked to.
I think they were asking about the actions against big tech starting under Trump. My memory ain’t what it used to be (& it was never very good), but even if something was started under Trump there have been various actions taken against big tech going at least as far back as the Internet Explorer near-monopoly days - so it’s not exactly like they did anything new, special, or unprecedented.
EDIT: Can some kind soul take pity on me and explain why I’m getting downvoted, instead of just a hit & run? What did I get wrong?
explain why I’m getting downvoted,
Oh, don’t bother! Sometimes it feels like even asking for people to explain their downvotes invites more downvotes for some inexplicable reason.
donvotes dont mean you’re wrong. they mean you made someone mad. sometimes this is because you said something they know is incorrect. but more often its because what you said may be true, and disagrees with their worldview or ideology.
It’s pretty rare for even entirely innocuous comments to have zero downvotes. It doesn’t bother me but it is funny the things that some people will choose to get upset about.
Very true. Funny how OP’s comment was just referring to a completely different argument. Instead of answering the question if the argument brought by the Proton guy could by chance be true, they again referred to their derailing…
Yes it’s true. The Trump administration initiated the first major antitrust lawsuit against Google in 2020.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/justice-department-antitrust-case-google-430281
But it doesn’t make up for the myriad of other shitty things he’s done.
Now’s probably not a bad time to mention I’ve used fastmail for years and it’s great.
