The United States has announced the approval of the sale of more than $7.4bn in bombs, missiles and related equipment to Israel, which has used American-made weapons to devastating effect during the war in Gaza.
The state department has signed off on the sale of $6.75bn in bombs, guidance kits and fuses, in addition to $660m in Hellfire missiles, according to the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA).
The proposed sale of the bombs “improves Israel’s capability to meet current and future threats, strengthen its homeland defense, and serves as a deterrent to regional threats”, the DSCA said in a statement.
B…b…but the Democrats are genociders so I didn’t vote or voted 3rd party to help the Palestinians.
Did I help? Did I help them? Does this help them?
None of the votes during this past election would have helped Palestine. That’s the point. You gotta think long term. Dems and Reps suck.
Our two party, single vote system isn’t working for the people and they want you to believe it is. Control your politicians. Don’t let them control you.
For the US, sure.
Letting in the Tangerine Mussolini means there won’t be a Palestine by the end of his term.
With the Democrats under the control of the DNC neither. Remember how the US built an “aid pier” for hundreds of millions that never delivered aid, but instead a beachhead for an Israeli assault disguised as humanitarian aid?
Now with Trump people are forced to confront the empire and maybe resist it from within, which also helps those outside of it. In the same wake other countries like in Europe will have to confront the fact that the US was never their friend, but just gave more considerations to the appearance of mutual respect and sovereignity on the outside.
The US empire has made it clear under Biden already, that there will be no peace in the Middle East, as long as the empire can prevent it. The only route to peace is dismantling the empire and replacing it with a normal country.
Neither of those things will happen, the US will turn into an autocratic state and Palestine will be erased. Then they will expand to Greater Israel with US troops.
Ah the iron convictions of those who participate in a democratic society.
I am an anarchist and have only voted once for secession. I would’ve voted against Trump if I were American. What is your point though?
The fall of the American federal government to fascism is not as foregone a conclusion as it is being made out to be.
The same factions that didn’t want to change the incumbent policy are the same that are accepting the fascist movement without resistance.
Seems it’s already fallen to me. I don’t see much short of a revolution reversing it and the libs certainly aren’t going to do that. AuthLeft are tiny and as far gone as MAGA on certain topics. LibRight are on AuthRight’s side. And there’s like 10 LibLefts.
June 29, 2024 US has sent Israel thousands of 2,000-pound bombs since Oct. 7
Biden only stopped sending them after there was nothing left to destroy in Gaza.
Dude, I’m not defending Biden in any sense whatsoever.
While I don’t disagree, I feel like we need to talk more about how disconnected the Democratic Party is from what their base actually wants. Them being diet republicans ain’t cutting it
Have you actually looked at their platform? Or are you just repeating “Republican lite” because that’s what all your social circle says?
This kind of feels like a loaded question, but yeah, I’d prefer it be more progressive. I’d like for Nancy and the other old guard to accept that they’ve got to move out of the way for the next generation to take the helm. Instead she blocked the new blood from higher committee positions. The attacks on her insider trading stick for a reason. I wish the same ones didn’t bounce off republicans but they’re clearly scott free of any accountability from their voting base, unlike the left which is constantly infighting.
Nancy Pelosi actually doesn’t do any trading, the man she married while still in college owns an investment firm and in the USA married couples have joint assets.
One of the biggest allegations of Insider Trading was when VISA credit company offered them stock options just before a big legislation regulating VISA went through, but Nancy actually voted against the company’s interests anyways.
In many years, Paul’s portfolio operates at a loss and the two of them don’t even make the list of top traders in congress.
Gee, would have been nice to have democracy a few more years to maybe try and fix it.
Fix what exactly? It isn’t that the democrats are a new party that suddenly popped into existence for the last election. They’ve been doing this shit forever.
… mmhmmm. I guess no democracy is better then. I’m convinced.
No, it isn’t. But acting as if democrats were / are willing to change and listen to the people is extremely naive. That’s the reason Bernie Sanders was never allowed to be a candidate despite being one of the most popular dems out there. There needs to be a third way / party that does better and claws out the democrats from ever being able to win.
Bernie Sanders WAS a presidential candidate in multiple primaries. He LOST those primaries by a HUGE MARGIN.
And then HE PROMOTED THE CANDIDATES WHO WON AND WE DIDN’T LISTEN TO HIM.
Shhh. They don’t want to hear facts.
They do hold primaries, ya know.
They let non-party-favored candidates run in the primaries just like how this kid is allowed to mow the law
Maybe start at the local level and build a community of like minded people to form a cohort to enact change instead of trying to start at the top and then throwing a tantrum when you don’t get your way after putting in none of the work or effort to better the party from the ground up like all the other established politicians have.
So, we can’t change that?
Did you feel this need before the election too? Because a lot of people did and that is who we’re talking about here.
True. But at the same time you’re not going to get any of that by not voting and letting Republicans get elected. I mean get you butts out there and primary these centrist lead weights.
If the DNC allowed that y’all wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place. I mean hello? 2020 was four years ago.
This. Right. Here.
No they’d rather sit on the couch and complain that the dinosaurs are dinosauring and won’t switch to communist revolution like they believe everyone wants, even though they’ve never left the couch.
If they actually went out and tried to become local politicians to effect change they would probably see that their ideals are far less popular in real life among normal people outside of the terminally online crowd.
Ah yes, the “pull yourself up by the bootstraps” argument for electoralism. It doesn’t matter who we vote for when they get laundered through the lobbying machine on the highest setting after or even before they get into office. Tell me, who is at the top of this list? https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?code=Q05&cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=M
I’m saying this as someone who has voted democrats straight down the ballot in every election I could. It doesn’t work when money is more powerful than any vote.
Doesnt this boil down to the usual “the left falls in love, while the right falls in line”? hard to fall in love with your alliy’s ongoing war crimes and lefties are renowed for not falling in line even against their best interests. Makes it hard to win as an incumbent, though, how did Obama win reelection, he wouldn’t have been mistaken for a saint the second time round.
PS: got it, it’s because Romney still couldn’t make the right fall in line hard enough comparing with the love for Obama.
They couldn’t win an election as diet republicans.
They’re not going to win if they move further left.
Democrats lost because they didn’t embrace populist rhetoric.
If they just ran someone like Bernie they could have won. People are tired of the status quo and they thought Trump would be a way out of it. All democrats run on is “we’ll keep things the same”.
Left populism is popular. Center right positions coming from the Democrats are not.
Would you like fascism or diet fascism? Uhh… Neither. So I guess I will just stay home and not vote
(Actually, I did vote. But I can understand why a lot of people weren’t motivated to).
There was one shot at helping the people of Palestine, that was the Democrats.
They refused to listen to voters and instead took in billions of lobbying from Zionists.
The only blame lies solely on Kamala and her greed. Imagine thinking stopping Trump was less important than making money.
I wonder if you will keep rehashing the election even as people are being loaded into boxcars?
“I told you trans people to vote third party, but you had to vote for Kamala, didn’t you? Bye-bye!”
I wonder if you will ever stop blaming voters for a party so shit they let Trump win.
I will never stop blaming the party, the candidate, the people who refused to vote to stop the fascist and the people who did not vote at all.
Unlike you, apparently, I think there is plenty of blame to go around because I do not view the world in black-and-white terms.
But more importantly, I could not give less of a fuck anymore. It already happened. Months ago. It’s over. Move on to the problems of now. I understand it’s fun fun fun to argue about the election, but the election is over.
It certainly seems that way on .world lately.
I knew what the comments were going to be in this thread before I even opened it.
They think there will be another legitimate election and I don’t know why they think that in the face of the mountain of evidence that America is now a fascist one-party state with that party being above the law.
Yeah, you probably saw the article yesterday about the head of the FEC. They tried to fire her and of course Musk is trying to get into all of those systems.
The only way the US is going to ever have fair elections again is after a lot of bloodshed. And possibly restructuring as a new nation.
Federal IT is basically fucked. The whole system would need to be replaced to get rid of all of the back doors Musk is installing.
Elections are over. Gtfo or figure out how to stay safe if you have to (I’m in the later camp, can’t afford to move and hard to get a passport anyway being trans)
I’m so sorry. I was able to get out with my daughter, who is gay, for that reason. I really hope you can be safe. I really worry about you and all of the other queer people in America and I wish I could do something.
The US is over. I hope my state and those near us have the balls to secede and form Cascadia. I’d volunteer to fight if needed.
The Democrats seemed quite fine with risking Trans people to be loaded into boxcars. Also many people immediately lasged out at ethnic minorities and queer people for not supporting the Democrats as strongly.
For the DNC they only got some considerations, when they were useful for power. Now that they didnt grant it, they got tossed aside.
Case in point all the D-Representatives now helping to vote Trump officials into elected government positions.
I guess the answer is yes, you will keep rehashing the election even as people are being loaded into boxcars.
I mean “what the fuck happened in November 2024” is an important question to answer if you’re ever going to stop people from being loaded into boxcars.
Except people aren’t rehashing it to learn, everyone is just rehashing things to assign blame.
Fuck, Republicans had their whole postmortem and even they managed to learn and now control all three branches of government.
That’s fair, but I think you can’t have one without the other. I mean assigning blame as an end in and of itself is pretty unproductive, but I still do believe that there’s something to be gained from those conversations as people use them as springboards to figure out the question of what the fuck to do about this. Shutting down conversations about the election is just not the way to go if your goal is to eventually defeat fascism.
Many people are rehashing it in defense, because these posts always start with assigning blame for not voting in Harris.
It would be great if the Democratic Party started running a more popular platform and won the election by something other than begrudging lesser-of-two-evils votes. Obama’s first term showed how powerful that could be.
Hopefully the Democratic Party has learned that bringing a status-quo to a populist fight isn’t a good idea, but I’m not holding my breath on that anymore.
Everyone here’s rehashed and rehashed and rehashed, I’ve seen the same people come back with the same things over and over again on these threads.
I mean it’s cathartic to a point but damn, one thing you don’t see a lot of “what the fuck am I going to do about it”. Well outside of those going I’m never going to vote again people.
The Democratic party isn’t going to do a thing on their own at this point, leadership is too old, ineffective, unwilling to change without a shit ton of external stimulus. Had a nice discussion thread about calling your rep and yeah, kind of came to the conclusion that the Democrats should be doing this on their own but they’re just too dumb and scared so I’m going to call them even though I’m never going to like them.
For me, I’m also going to increase my donation to progressive groups this year because unfortunately moving to another country isn’t in the cards for me and then maybe phone bank again, though that’s going to be rough because damn voters are stupid.
Really? How?
Because one thing (holding your nosed and uniting behind the Democrats) was tried, and miserably failed. If you don’t know why it failed you’ll never know how to do better, or even if it is possible to do better. I guess my point is that those who don’t learn from the past are doomed to repeat it, and y’all really can’t afford a repeat of this election.
You seem to be operating under the ludicrous assumption that there will ever be non-Russian style elections in the U.S. again.
You seem to also be operating under the ludicrous assumption that Republicans will ever give up power willingly now that they control all three branches of government.
No wonder you want to keep talking about the election. You think nothing has changed.
Keep acting like America isn’t a fascist dictatorship right now. Be sure you tell all the brown and queer people that they have nothing to worry about too.
My god.
I think the way forward is to get away from both Republicans and Democrats and bring people into power, who are not part of either. Going back to the Democrats is not going to make things better again. Another example for that is the migration and deportation policies of Biden, which were mostly a continuation of Trumps policies.
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Who was president when Israel flattened Gaza? Who sent them the weapons to do it? Why do you excuse Biden and the Democrats role in the genocide just because Trump is worse?
The Harris campaign purposefully ignored anyone asking about Gaza.
I am increasingly disgusted by liberals. I am never voting Democrat again, it is past Biden or Harris being bad, it is the entire base that is genocidal except with polite rhetoric.
Who is president while Native Americans and Puerto Ricans are being arrested by ICE and threatened with deportation?
Who is president while America gives up on every single climate goal?
Who is president while Elon Musk’s people have been given total access to U.S. finances without any sort of security clearances?
I could go on, but I won’t, because you are acting like the election was some sort of referendum on Israel. And all I can say to that is that I hope you have the white privilege to not be affected by this at the level of anyone who’s skin is a darker shade of peach and the cisgender, heterosexual privilege as well.
Excuse is a different thing altogether than a vote. One is a state of mind. The other impacts who is president and brings that administrations actions into reality. Anyone who did not vote Democrat is responsible for the net difference in those outcomes. A vote is not a protest.