If the point is to give everyone a chance to compete fairly then breaking the sport into tiers based on ability makes sense and gender segregation would be unnecessary.
If the point is to make space for women to participate in sports, then excluding certain kinds of women because of some personal characteristic outside of their control would defeat the purpose. Trans women deserve not to have to play with the boys too.
Of course it is. You can instantly tell the sex of 99% of people from a single glance. And it’s pretty simple to clear up that last 1% with a single brief exchange.
Admitting that you can only get 99% accuracy is an admission that sex isn’t what you’re seeing when you try to guess someone’s gender, and that you think that the existence of trans and gender-nonconforming people is something that can be ignored because our lives are less important than the convenience of your assumptions.
Admitting that you can only get 99% accuracy is an admission that sex isn’t what you’re seeing
This is not the dumbest statement I’ve heard today, but that’s only because I unfortunately saw a few clips of Trump trying to string a coherent thought together earlier.
I said it’s about sex. You keep bringing up gender. Gender does not matter in sports. It is ABSOLUTELY something that can and should be ignored. No one (except bigots obviously) is attempting to guess anyone’s gender in sports. Sports does not segregate anyone by gender. Or race, or sexuality, or religion…it’s all immaterial.
I said it’s about sex. You keep bringing up gender. Gender does not matter in sports.
If this was true then cis women would be forced to compete with trans men, causing exactly the same problems as you hope to ignore by insisting that sports are segregated by sex rather than gender.
If you actually believe what you say you do, then you think these guys should be on women’s teams:
Personally, I think you’re pretty weird for demanding that certain kinds of men should be forced into women’s sports just because of their sex.
If this was true then cis women would be forced to compete with trans men
That’s only not happening because trans men are physically unable to compete with cis men (on average). If there were a sport where cis women had a physical advantage over cis men, and trans men tried to join the cis men league, we’d be having the same discussion.
So segregating competitors to some extent based on physical ability makes sense?
Depends on what the point is.
If the point is to give everyone a chance to compete fairly then breaking the sport into tiers based on ability makes sense and gender segregation would be unnecessary.
If the point is to make space for women to participate in sports, then excluding certain kinds of women because of some personal characteristic outside of their control would defeat the purpose. Trans women deserve not to have to play with the boys too.
It’s not segregated by gender, it’s segregated by sex.
If genotype and hormone testing aren’t mandatory then it’s gender segregregated. Sex isn’t a property one can assume from outward appearances.
Of course it is. You can instantly tell the sex of 99% of people from a single glance. And it’s pretty simple to clear up that last 1% with a single brief exchange.
Admitting that you can only get 99% accuracy is an admission that sex isn’t what you’re seeing when you try to guess someone’s gender, and that you think that the existence of trans and gender-nonconforming people is something that can be ignored because our lives are less important than the convenience of your assumptions.
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This is not the dumbest statement I’ve heard today, but that’s only because I unfortunately saw a few clips of Trump trying to string a coherent thought together earlier.
I said it’s about sex. You keep bringing up gender. Gender does not matter in sports. It is ABSOLUTELY something that can and should be ignored. No one (except bigots obviously) is attempting to guess anyone’s gender in sports. Sports does not segregate anyone by gender. Or race, or sexuality, or religion…it’s all immaterial.
If this was true then cis women would be forced to compete with trans men, causing exactly the same problems as you hope to ignore by insisting that sports are segregated by sex rather than gender.
If you actually believe what you say you do, then you think these guys should be on women’s teams:
Personally, I think you’re pretty weird for demanding that certain kinds of men should be forced into women’s sports just because of their sex.
That’s only not happening because trans men are physically unable to compete with cis men (on average). If there were a sport where cis women had a physical advantage over cis men, and trans men tried to join the cis men league, we’d be having the same discussion.