I’m wondering if I should just delete lemmy to stay under the radar. 🤔 (I’m a US Citizen currently residing in the US, and moving out of the country is not really an option)
I feel so conflicted on this. On one hand, this is kinda like giving in to authoritarianism, but on the other hand, dissenting is kinda dangerous. 😓
There is so much content going online, and so much traffic, plus heightened security measures, that make it very hard to identify dissidents on a large scale, at least with the tech we have, without using searches and seizure of one’s devices or other methods unrelated to the Internet itself.
In other words, very hard to impossible.
Extremely unlikely. Not for another 20 years or so, worst case scenario, and by then they probably won’t care about now.
First off, there’s way too many people who criticize the government to arrest everyone, secondly it’s completely unnecessary. Complaining about the government doesn’t really do anything other than allowing people to vent their frustrations and feel more content. It’s the same way Trump obviously isn’t going to “end elections forever” like people say, virtually every country in the world has elections, regardless of how actually democratic they are, because they’re a nice little ritual that lets you feel free and in control. It would be like saying that Trump is going to knock down the Statue of Liberty - he doesn’t have to.
Now, there are reasons to establish more secure lines of communication, like if you’re involved in actual organizing or if you’re either helping people do illegal things or planning to help people do things that could potentially become illegal - for example, shipping Plan B or trans hormones to people in red states. Laws in some red states about “pushing transgenderism on minors” could theoretically be interpreted so broadly that if you post information or supportive messages on a public forum and a minor in a red state happens to see it, they could try to come after you for it - but that would probably be found unconstitutional.
Using secure lines of communication for routine, everyday stuff helps keep those lines secure by generating more chaff they’d have to sort through, as well as familiarizing yourself with it and getting more people on board. However, you shouldn’t scatter to the wind preemptively and self-censor, beyond just not fed-posting.
It’s more about setting up a system that rewards your neighbour for snitching on you. If that system is practical online, only time will tell. It worked well irl for other fascists.
Please watch this video about dictatorships and what to look out for.
It worked well irl for other fascists.
It is also a hall market every single communist regime.
It is a fun system but as soviets found out is that it get abused for personal reasons and sending everyone who gets reported to Siberia was just a bad economic amf social policy.
The way modidng on socials works, people would be more than happy to have ICE harass people whose opinions they don’t like Because their opinions are the only correct ones to have.
I mean, DOGE already downloaded all your personal info. It’s easy to scrape socials and everything from there. What I meant is the ability to v& people en masse from online comments is yet unproven. I have faith that Elmo will find the right 19yo kids for the job though.
Well, I think that it would be if not impossible, then extremely difficult to do that, as the amount of people they’d have to catch would be gigantic.
But I think it’s best to be prepared for a lot of social media bans and restrictions. (Think China or Saudi Arabia)
And if you happen to partake in protests, do NOT confess to it online. This is especially important if you’re doing anything illegal, but looking at what the situation is over there, I’d say that it applies to peaceful protesting as well. Take care.
Less likely if we are gun owners
Gun rights are for everyone. Unironically everyone capable of responsibly owning a gun should. But you won’t get magically good with one if you never train.
If you have a friend who already has guns ask to join them on the range to learn the basics. If not find a class to learn safe gun handling, then go to the range to practice and build skill. Guns are a serious and powerful tool, but like most serious and powerful tools when you use them safely you have a ton of fun too!
Only if people collectiely excercise that right by forming a militia, otherwise they’ll just raid your houses individually one by one and take your guns.
Ironically, its less likely for people who aren’t right-wing to have guns. Blue states, and especially Blue cities make it so difficult for people to get a gun due to all the permits you have to obtain from the police department, who would just find bs reasons to deny your permit because you know, pigs be pigs.
If you have a gun and they raid your hosue, they now have a legal right to kill you no matter what you do since you are now a threat with deadly force.
Sure and they can just as easily shoot you no matter what and say it was a phone, you were reaching for something etc
Correct but would having gun lower or increase your chances at getting killed tho
That’s the question here
A persecution fetish is a hard drug for gun owners, among other idiots.
You’re right. We should trust the police to protect us. After all, it’s not like our police departments are filled with right-wingers who have a track record of regularly murdering innocent civilians or anything…
…Oh wait, that’s riiiiight…
Ok dude when they come to take you from your home and put you in the camps I’m sure you will be happy you are unarmed and defenseless.
I love seeing little clones parroting the same anti-gun BS they’ve been spooned for the last 3 decades like fascists aren’t seizing power right now.
No kidding. I mean, this is finally the moment that Madison predicted two centuries ago! A fascist has seized control over the government, and is illegally detaining people. Rise up my US gun-lovers! Rise against the dictators and claim control of your country from…
Oh wait, you’re the ones who got him elected? Nevermind.
I have the RIGHT to freedom of speech and expression and I will not waive it for Trump or anyone else. Without it, there is no United States.
Fuck Donald Trump. Fuck Elon Musk. Fuck the Republicans. Fuck the oligarchy. Fuck authoritarianism. Fuck this fear, and fuck advance compliance.
I serve no fucking king.
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Exercise that right, go camping, free helicopter rides. Sounds fun!
I’d construe that as a threat.
I’m not going to travel to the US just in case they triangulate my ID. Haven’t said anything terribly bad about USA but still, why risk it.
I don’t see them coming for all of us. It’s just not practical to arrest everyone who complains.
It all comes down to other characteristics:
- are you someone influential or high profile they can make an example of, to promote fear?
- do you have any connection to another country, no matter how tenuous, where they can use this as an excuse to deport?
- are you part of another demographic bias they want to persecute, such as lgbt, where they can use this as an excuse to legally persecute?
are you someone influential or high profile they can make an example of, to promote fear?
I’m just a nobody. No wikipedia pages or anything like that.
do you have any connection to another country, no matter how tenuous, where they can use this as an excuse to deport?
I was born in PRC. The US government could frame me as a “CCP Spy”, but like dude, I’m the most anti-CCP ethnic Chinese person in the US. I’m honesely afraid to getting deported then I’ll have to explain to the CCP about all those Anti-CCP stuff I said. (I’m end up in prison).
Like it doesn’t even make sense for me to be a “CCP Spy”, they literally tried arrest my mother and tried to terminate me (I was the second child that my mother had during the One Child Policy). Why would I ever help a party that almost prevented my existence?
are you part of another demographic bias they want to persecute, such as lgbt, where they can use this as an excuse to legally persecute?
I’m not really LGBT, but I really have no desire to seek a relationship so I think I’m just asexual/aromantic which the Magats would probably consider a “sexual deviant” or whatever bs deogratory label they wanna make, but like I could lie and say I’m straight.
I’m Chinese American, so, judging by the “China virus” racist rhetoric, orange cheeto doesn’t like people like me. 👀
, I’m the most anti-CCP ethnic Chinese person in the US. I’m honesely afraid to getting deported then I’ll have to explain to the CCP about all those Anti-CCP stuff I said. (I’m end up in prison).
Hating authority do be like that. I do respect the position tho…
Some people simp america and hate China.
Some hate us but love China…
But the correct answers is both are brutal regimes enabling exploitation of the working people by the parasite class!
Fuk 'em all
Yep. You too might be a criminal, gangster, drug dealing, illegal immigrant that should be deported. If China won’t take you back, we can dump you somewhere else.
I don’t think this is something we have to worry about in the near future and I don’t think it will happen under Trump. What concerns me is the way the “system” is being set up so that alternative points of view or other parties just won’t have a chance to win an election or survive a lawsuit.
The groundwork is being laid so that people way more extreme than what we are seeing now can come into power and then stay in power without any way of removing them.
The current administration is setting things up where in order to “count” you have to be 1) loyal to Trump and 2) loyal to the republican party (don’t want any RINOs!). Heck, you can subscribe to typically republican principals (lower taxes, lower spending, right to bear arms, strong military, etc…) but you aren’t a “real” republican unless you un-waveringly support Trump.
But a true patriot is loyal to the Constitution. But now, you can’t be a republican and be loyal to the constitution, you have to be loyal to Trump. And that is setting things up to go very badly.
it’s pretty stupid and delusional to think you’re going to jail for posting things on social media. in countries where this actually happens (mine for example) you need to be stirring up some viral controversy which directly effects an interest of the government. it wouldn’t be useful to put every rambling stepdad in jail and they wouldn’t have the resources to do it anyway
This analysis is proper and Americans love hyperbolic bullshit…
The trend is concerning nonetheless
People are getting turned away at the border for having tweets critical to Donald trump (terrorism for some reason). It’s only a matter of time before they start making lists of people inside the states as well.
Every single person who disagrees with the administration on the internet? Incredibly unlikely. That’d be literally 10s of millions of people, if not over 100 million. The US prison system currently has a capacity of ~2 million. It’s estimated that globally there are ~11.5 million people in prisons. So you’re talking about locking up several times more people than are currently locked up. It’s just not possible.
The scale of what you’re suggesting is just unimaginable. How much manpower would be needed to lock up tens of millions of people? Nearly the entire non-incarcerated population of the US would need to be employed in building and staffing prisons and doing the police work to track down and arrest people.
And what would that do to the US (and global) economy to remove tens of millions of people from the workforce and force the rest of the population into servicing those prisons?
Even in the strictest countries with the most draconian censorship, they don’t lock up people who are just disagreeing with the dictator/administration. They lock up people who make a name for themselves and get recognition/go viral. If you have an account that gets a HUGE following and you don’t just disagree, but attack and criticize, then you might end up with some problems.
To avoid this, just don’t let yourself get a big following with an account that’s super critical. If you notice you start to get a following, just delete that account and start a new one.
Camps are easy to build.
Small camps, yes. Camps with enough facilities to hold several times more than the current global population? No, not at all.
Yeah that’s why you start killing people in the camps yo free space for the new arrivals…
I swear we already went through this before
I really think you’re underestimating the scale of every single person who’s critical of Trump. The Holocaust killed like 6 million people/year. We’re talking about an order of magnitude more people than that.
In the long run, shutting up won’t save you from fascism. Every inch you give is a foot they take, and they will take and take and take if you let them.
If you’ve never wondered whether people living under dictatorships regret not exercising their rights more when they still had them, now’s the time to start pondering.
People in Germany protested in front of a Gestapo building in 1943. Post your posts.
The fact that you are even worried about this says so much.
Love, A european
I hate to be all doom and gloom but if the government decided tomorrow that disagreeing with trump was a crime then it’s probably already too late for you.
The amount of information about people online is pretty shocking and no amount of cleaning up after yourself could save you at this point.
On the other hand, it probably won’t devolve that fast so you’re probably ok?
Well, if I know my lore, the fediverse, Lemmy included, was created by self avowed communists.
And if the Luigi shenanigans, that is to say the censorship brought to bear on any discussion of the man or his alleged crime, have shown us anything; it’s that the powers that be very much fear a class war. Besides wich commies have long been a favorite windmill to tilt at.
I think it’s safe to assume anything posted on here gets logged and analyzed.
That having been said, eat the rich, free Palestine, and healthcare for all!!
