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minus-squareSaltSong@startrek.websitelinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up2·17 days agoViolence is almost always the solution. Civilization is an effort to find a better solution. But people who reject the systems we’ve built up seem to forget why we built then.
minus-squareBoomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up0·17 days agoYeah, to uphold the status quo of the few owning everything and controlling everyone
minus-squareSaltSong@startrek.websitelinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up0·17 days agoThat’s not why we built them. They got hijacked for that, and they need fixing. They were built so we had an alternative to killing each other over disputes.
minus-squareBoomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up0·17 days agoThen why are most “uncivilized” societies have more egalitarian and non-violent than “civilized” ones? And why has every civilization since the dawn of them been about using violence to uphold the status quo? The institutions aren’t broken. They’re working as designed.
minus-squareargon@lemmy.todaylinkfedilinkarrow-up0·17 days ago Then why are most “uncivilized” societies have more egalitarian and non-violent than “civilized” ones? Uncivilized societies engage in violence much more frequently than civilized societies. That’s the case for individual/personal violence, and also for institutional/mass violence. Civilized societies are better than uncivilized society in anything they do collectively, be it science, production, or murder. Since civilized societies are so much better at murdering, the few cases where mass murder does happen are much more significant. However, such cases remain an exception, as opposed to what is the case for uncivilized societies. Uncivilized societies may be harmless, but they are certainly not peaceful. Civilized societies are more powerful, but they yield their power much more carefully.
minus-squareBoomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up1·17 days agoI’ve done a bit of googling and the evidence I’m seeing doesn’t agree with you on several points. For example, a war in NZ between Māori tribes killed roughly 10% of the population, while the US civil war only killed 0.5% And this report from UNESCO agrees with my assertion that organized violence appeared not long after agriculture as a way to reinforce the status quo.
Violence is almost always the solution. Civilization is an effort to find a better solution. But people who reject the systems we’ve built up seem to forget why we built then.
Yeah, to uphold the status quo of the few owning everything and controlling everyone
That’s not why we built them. They got hijacked for that, and they need fixing.
They were built so we had an alternative to killing each other over disputes.
Then why are most “uncivilized” societies have more egalitarian and non-violent than “civilized” ones?
And why has every civilization since the dawn of them been about using violence to uphold the status quo?
The institutions aren’t broken. They’re working as designed.
Uncivilized societies engage in violence much more frequently than civilized societies.
That’s the case for individual/personal violence, and also for institutional/mass violence.
Civilized societies are better than uncivilized society in anything they do collectively, be it science, production, or murder.
Since civilized societies are so much better at murdering, the few cases where mass murder does happen are much more significant.
However, such cases remain an exception, as opposed to what is the case for uncivilized societies.
Uncivilized societies may be harmless, but they are certainly not peaceful.
Civilized societies are more powerful, but they yield their power much more carefully.
I’ve done a bit of googling and the evidence I’m seeing doesn’t agree with you on several points.
For example, a war in NZ between Māori tribes killed roughly 10% of the population, while the US civil war only killed 0.5%
And this report from UNESCO agrees with my assertion that organized violence appeared not long after agriculture as a way to reinforce the status quo.