• hopeleft@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    14 hours ago

    Without artificial scarcity created by capitalism theft wouldn’t be a problem. Just let abundance of bikes and even if someone steals it you can always borrow another one.

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      13 hours ago

      Belgium has 250k euros median net wealth. High minimum wage. High social mobility. Tax funded education from age 3 to end of higher education.

      Cheap public transport.

      The e bikes are paid by your taxes when you have a job.

      Young guys steal because they like risk and lack respect

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        7 hours ago

        High social mobility.

        You got suace for this claim?

        My understanding is that Belgium is highly stratified society with certain groups enjoying very high quality of living while out groups not having access to good jobs

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              5 hours ago

              Aight I’m an accountant here. The government somehow has people accepting this system:

              Minimum wage about 2000 euros netto, probably even higher. Per month.

              Someone with 3200 euros gross will have about 2240 euros net.

              80% of the gross goes majorly to social contribution and personal income tax.

              Then afterwards, for every euro you earn (gross) you pay 13,07% social contribution and then about 45 to 55% personal income tax on the leftover.

              Our income gini is 0,26.

              The true way to earn money in Belgium is to consume less and save more. We’re manipulated into doing that.

              21% VAT brakes consumption. 0% capital gains tax on real estate makes people buy their house with a mortgage. The interest of the mortgage is basically paid by the capital gains. Same with stocks/gold/…

              You need to be educated in Belgium. The law is equal for all.

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          11 hours ago

          My job requires me to be trustworthy. If I get caught stealing a bike, even though they won’t do much, it might get on crime record. Whenever I look for a new job, I will need to give them my crime record and explain myself.

          If I, at age 29, am stealing bikes. Then I am just worthless scum.

          If it’s a 19 year old jobless guy who is still studying and living with his parents, then it’s more acceptable. Even though this kid will be viewed with caution by future employers.

          We could likely implement city bikes funded by taxes and have them all over the city. Have trackers in them and punish people who hoard/sell them.

          There’s already a private option for that, costs like 2 euros per day. But it doesn’t seem that popular.

          Most people enjoy having their own bike, with premium material.

          My bike is 9700 euros. Of course people will want to steal it. They either don’t know the consequences or think it won’t matter.

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            8 hours ago

            My job requires me to be trustworthy. If I get caught stealing a bike, even though they won’t do much, it might get on crime record. Whenever I look for a new job, I will need to give them my crime record and explain myself

            Sorry by “take” i didn’t mean “steal”, I’m not telling you to steal a new bike if you don’t want to lol

            My bike is 9700 euros. Of course people will want to steal it.

            Again, theft wouldn’t be a problem in a moneyless society, since all bikes have the same value and everyone has an access to those bikes, not like in our society where a more costly and less available bike is more valued and therefore entices people to steal.

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              7 hours ago

              What’s the largest amount of people that tried this moneyless stateless society stuff and how long did it last

              Ussr was state capitalist, north Korea is Kim’s paradise. Cuba is state capitalist. China is capitalist.