Yes, I mean the Tsarist army.
But you are right, my knowledge of history is limited.
Workers are consumers, they get their means to live through being paid wages.
That’s not what I mean with consumers. Consumers spend their money against their interest, to fulfill emotional needs that were highlighted by advertising. I don’t think that I have mentioned advertising before, but I actually think that this type of advertising won’t happen in a socialist country.
When I say your point on TikTok is Idealist, I mean it in the philosophical way, in opposition to Materialism. Idealism is wrong, it’s the concept of thoughts and ideas being the primary mover, not material reality.
I think that’s also how I understood it.
My point is that the mindset of people have changed and thoughts have become the primary movers.
The reason I say yours is idealist is because you’ve invented a problem that doesn’t exist, tik tok does not change the material base, being workers who spend their wages on goods.
Workers are not workers who rationally spend their money on products that have the most benefit to them. Those people are now consumers. They spend their money on stuff that is supposed to make them happy which induces the need to accept the current system. A revolution becomes a threat.
The answers of the “bros” like government supplied girlfriends are not worth considering.
But the motivations are. What do those people want and why do they prefer it over the offer from the left.
but that screams that you haven’t ever engaged with Leftist theory. Knowing leftist theory leads to action, not inaction.
Action means nothing if it doesn’t reach people. As I said, truth becomes a trap if it leads to ineffective action.
You’re still misunderstanding idealism vs materialism. Your analysis is idealist, and that clouds your judgement of issues surrounding consumerism. Consumerism, as you describe it, still existed in Marx’s time, and the existence of it does not conflict with Marxism. Liberalism in general is idealist, but that doesn’t make it correct. Thoughts aren’t the primary movers, consumerism is driven by a necessity for Capitalists to sell more commodities. It isn’t the choice of individuals, but the underlying Capitalist system.
You still have not made any point regarding workers and consumers. They are the same. They have always been the same. Revolution is further not a threat for them.
Leftists do analyze the motivations of broism, you continue to invent problems that do not exist.
Finally, Leftists do reach people, with action. It isn’t a “trap.”
You don’t really have any real points, you are dead-set on your misinterpretations of left vs right and as a consequence don’t actually understand Leftist critique or analysis, and it seems deliberate.
It’s definitely not a deliberate misunderstanding.
consumerism is driven by a necessity for Capitalists to sell more commodities. It isn’t the choice of individuals, but the underlying Capitalist system
Yes. By the same logic, Capitalists need consumers to stay calm and to not change the system.
How can the Capitalist system be changed if people don’t act on individual choices?
Finally, Leftists do reach people, with action. It isn’t a “trap.”
I wasn’t suggesting it was deliberate, my point is more that if you want to discuss a subject, you ought to familiarize yourself with it prior to forming an opinion.
Capitalists do need workers to not revolt, yes. Leftists acknowledge this, there are various methods Capitalists employ, like bribery through sharing the spoils of Imperialism with the Working Class. That doesn’t mean right-wingers have valid points.
As for if enough people are reached, yes, increasingly as time goes on. I’m not sure what your point here is.
My point is that the Capitalists manage the rate at which workers learn about the left point of view so that the chance of them reaching a ctitical mass for change is very low.
Capitalists use control of media, yes. That doesn’t mean accepting right-wing analysis is correct, and that doesn’t mean Leftist ideas aren’t spreading.
Yes, I mean the Tsarist army. But you are right, my knowledge of history is limited.
That’s not what I mean with consumers. Consumers spend their money against their interest, to fulfill emotional needs that were highlighted by advertising. I don’t think that I have mentioned advertising before, but I actually think that this type of advertising won’t happen in a socialist country.
I think that’s also how I understood it.
My point is that the mindset of people have changed and thoughts have become the primary movers.
Workers are not workers who rationally spend their money on products that have the most benefit to them. Those people are now consumers. They spend their money on stuff that is supposed to make them happy which induces the need to accept the current system. A revolution becomes a threat.
But the motivations are. What do those people want and why do they prefer it over the offer from the left.
Action means nothing if it doesn’t reach people. As I said, truth becomes a trap if it leads to ineffective action.
You’re still misunderstanding idealism vs materialism. Your analysis is idealist, and that clouds your judgement of issues surrounding consumerism. Consumerism, as you describe it, still existed in Marx’s time, and the existence of it does not conflict with Marxism. Liberalism in general is idealist, but that doesn’t make it correct. Thoughts aren’t the primary movers, consumerism is driven by a necessity for Capitalists to sell more commodities. It isn’t the choice of individuals, but the underlying Capitalist system.
You still have not made any point regarding workers and consumers. They are the same. They have always been the same. Revolution is further not a threat for them.
Leftists do analyze the motivations of broism, you continue to invent problems that do not exist.
Finally, Leftists do reach people, with action. It isn’t a “trap.”
You don’t really have any real points, you are dead-set on your misinterpretations of left vs right and as a consequence don’t actually understand Leftist critique or analysis, and it seems deliberate.
It’s definitely not a deliberate misunderstanding.
Yes. By the same logic, Capitalists need consumers to stay calm and to not change the system.
How can the Capitalist system be changed if people don’t act on individual choices?
They reach some. Do they reach enough?
I wasn’t suggesting it was deliberate, my point is more that if you want to discuss a subject, you ought to familiarize yourself with it prior to forming an opinion.
Capitalists do need workers to not revolt, yes. Leftists acknowledge this, there are various methods Capitalists employ, like bribery through sharing the spoils of Imperialism with the Working Class. That doesn’t mean right-wingers have valid points.
As for if enough people are reached, yes, increasingly as time goes on. I’m not sure what your point here is.
My point is that the Capitalists manage the rate at which workers learn about the left point of view so that the chance of them reaching a ctitical mass for change is very low.
Capitalists use control of media, yes. That doesn’t mean accepting right-wing analysis is correct, and that doesn’t mean Leftist ideas aren’t spreading.