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      Yep, the lesser Bush and Trump I shows that Democrats are not interested in punishing crimes committed by Republicans.

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        That’s because US politics is so unhealthy that political persecution is only a step away. They rather let one “no longer relevant asshole” go than risk pocking that hornets nest.

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      I mean the voters are the accountability. Seems like the right show up with weapons and plan A, B, and C that they have organised for the past year.

      The left show up with knowledge of how to get arrested. And it’s getting frustrating to watch. We need to start asking ourselves why they do things at can’t muster half the strength for

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        Are you talking about libs? They’re right-wing.

        There is almost zero leftism in the core of empire. It’s literally the goal of hegemonic narrative (schools, media, politicians, etc) to obscure and misrepresent leftism.

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    Please promise to yourself right now that we will not let them be forgiven. We will not let whatever centrist Democrats convince us to “move forward” and “let us heal”. These officers need to be given Nuremberg Trials. If we get control of this government, EVERY one of these ICE agents who raided or abducted even one person, get sent to prison. I hope for life.

    I don’t care if they have kids, lovers, parents, friends, grandkids. After these years there will be people dead, permanently traumatized, and permanently disabled.

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    I’m sorry. does anyone really believe that?

    “in the interest of not causing division we will offer an amnesty to all personnel who assumed orders they got were lawful”

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      It’s going to have to be different this time. We let them slide after the Revolution, the Civil War, and WWII, and it has led directly to the mess we are in now.

      If we survive this, it will be imperative that there are harsh punishments for ALL leaders, and all middle management. Street level traitors may not end up in prison, but they should be forced to go to political remediation classes, where they will be properly taught about the Constitution, American History, and Critical Thinking Skills. Recalcitrant “students” can have their sentences commuted to long prison sentences if they’d prefer.

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      To be honest if Kamela Harris won, I could have seen her or Biden “Pardoning Trump to let the nation heal”

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    The agents that abused their authority need to be punished, but I would be more interested in punishing the people in power that enabled this mess or ignored what was going on.

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      Pretty sure the fascists in ICE aren’t the intellectual types who have anything to offer for scientific programs.

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          “Intellectual” is a bit of a stretch, because sure many had degrees, but a lot of the “science” they did was just literal torture with ko scientific method or even recorded results. I have trouble calling that actual science.

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            Von Braun was part of operation paperclip, and we definitely got an actual scientific benefit from bringing him to the US.

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    Why not, it helped for many nazis after the second world war. Many got convicted, but also many didn’t.

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      Qualified immunity specifically does not apply in cases where someone’s clearly established civil rights were violated, though the criteria for that is specific. Further, it applies only to civil cases, not criminal cases. It may certainly help them in some instances, but it’s not going to be a blanket shield.

      1 Was a constitutional right violated?

      2 Was the right clearly established at the time of the alleged violation?

      https://www.justia.com/civil-rights/government-violations-of-civil-rights/qualified-immunity/

      Under this doctrine, government agents—including but not limited to police officers—can never be sued for violating someone’s civil rights, unless they violated “clearly established law.” While this is an amorphous, malleable standard, it generally requires civil rights plaintiffs to show not just a clear legal rule, but a prior case with functionally identical facts.

      In other words, it is entirely possible—and quite common—for courts to hold that government agents did violate someone’s rights, but that the victim has no legal remedy, simply because that precise sort of misconduct had not occurred in past cases.

      https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_education/publications/insights-on-law-and-society/volume-21/issue-1/qualified-immunity/

      While yes, IANAL, I’m exceptionally doubtful that clearly established constitutional rights aren’t being violated by the behaviors of ICE under Trump, in many, many circumstances.

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    This is one of those things that can never be forgiven. There were so many instances of abuse of power.

    Too many to not notice

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    It literally worked for 99.999% of Nazis. We only hung some of the top brass. And then we took the smartest ones and gave them great lives at NASA.