To be clear, the ruling class in the PRC is the proletariat, it’s a Socialist country. Further, Russia and Iran’s ruling classes don’t have the same Imperialist foothold holding the entire Global South down that Western Countries do. They will need Socialist revolutions, but as Imperialism is the world’s greatest contradictions, it’s more important to thwart US and Western European hegemony than it is to side with the Empire against bourgeois states that are nationalist in character.
Also even if you believe that the democratically elected leadership of China are a new distinct class, they are empirically not capitalists and empirically not violent on anywhere close to a comparable scale to capitalist leadership. Their politics are that of mutual cooperation and advancement because 1a) they understand imperial extraction is economically inefficient in the long term 1b) have sufficient control over the state and economy to prevent it 2) they need strong allies to protect themselves from imperialist encirclement and imperial powers keep trying to weaken the rest of the world
(I don’t agree that the Chinese elected leadership constitute a new class, I’m just saying for the sake of talking to folks who do)
The PRC is proletariat just as western country are democratic. Yep we should fight the imperialism of our own country first; but we shall not ignore what is oppressing our comrades elsewhere. Workers struggle are bloody crushed by hose states. Pretending elsewhere would not help to build social revolution anywhere
It’s easy to claim something, but another thing entirely to prove it. The fact of the matter is that the PRC successfully had a Socialist revolution and has been as such since 1949, hence why the overwhelming majority of Marxist organizations recognize them as Socialist. The overwhelming majority of the large firms and key industries are publicly owned and planned, and the overwhelming majority of people support their system and believe it is headed in the right direction.
What would be a major setback is revolution in China. Such a color revolution would result in devastation, a crumbling of Socialism, and new lands to plunder for the US Empire. I suggest you familiarize yourself with Marxism and Marxist orgs before making such a claim. If you are familiar, then please offer something beyond a simple claim, so we can have a meaningful discussion.
You are getting downvoted but are absolutely right. I have nothing agains Russians, I do have something against Putin invading Ukraine, Georgia etc. I have nothing against Chinese people, I do have something against Xi and what he is doing against the Uygurs, or what he did to Hong Kong and might do to Taiwan. Just like I don’t have anything against Americans, but I have a lot against Trump.
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Those state are run by their ruling class (obviously), so their definitely are our ennemies. As well as every other states, specially imperialist one
To be clear, the ruling class in the PRC is the proletariat, it’s a Socialist country. Further, Russia and Iran’s ruling classes don’t have the same Imperialist foothold holding the entire Global South down that Western Countries do. They will need Socialist revolutions, but as Imperialism is the world’s greatest contradictions, it’s more important to thwart US and Western European hegemony than it is to side with the Empire against bourgeois states that are nationalist in character.
Also even if you believe that the democratically elected leadership of China are a new distinct class, they are empirically not capitalists and empirically not violent on anywhere close to a comparable scale to capitalist leadership. Their politics are that of mutual cooperation and advancement because 1a) they understand imperial extraction is economically inefficient in the long term 1b) have sufficient control over the state and economy to prevent it 2) they need strong allies to protect themselves from imperialist encirclement and imperial powers keep trying to weaken the rest of the world
(I don’t agree that the Chinese elected leadership constitute a new class, I’m just saying for the sake of talking to folks who do)
The PRC is proletariat just as western country are democratic. Yep we should fight the imperialism of our own country first; but we shall not ignore what is oppressing our comrades elsewhere. Workers struggle are bloody crushed by hose states. Pretending elsewhere would not help to build social revolution anywhere
It’s easy to claim something, but another thing entirely to prove it. The fact of the matter is that the PRC successfully had a Socialist revolution and has been as such since 1949, hence why the overwhelming majority of Marxist organizations recognize them as Socialist. The overwhelming majority of the large firms and key industries are publicly owned and planned, and the overwhelming majority of people support their system and believe it is headed in the right direction.
What would be a major setback is revolution in China. Such a color revolution would result in devastation, a crumbling of Socialism, and new lands to plunder for the US Empire. I suggest you familiarize yourself with Marxism and Marxist orgs before making such a claim. If you are familiar, then please offer something beyond a simple claim, so we can have a meaningful discussion.
You are getting downvoted but are absolutely right. I have nothing agains Russians, I do have something against Putin invading Ukraine, Georgia etc. I have nothing against Chinese people, I do have something against Xi and what he is doing against the Uygurs, or what he did to Hong Kong and might do to Taiwan. Just like I don’t have anything against Americans, but I have a lot against Trump.
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