For starters, the PRC may have liberals, but the overall economic system is firmly Socialist and is guided by Marxism-Leninism. It’s working as a Socialist state should, by gradual improvements.
As for Russia and Iran socially, I agree that they are indeed socially backwards. I have no reason to believe this is a problem of ethnicity, nor do I have any reason to believe that either nation capitulating to Western Imperialism would be a victory for queer people in either country. Massive social progress is necessary, and that is best found by retaining national sovereignty and progressing.
As a queer person myself, this line of thought of yours is the same as the Zionists who claim Israel has moral superiority over Palestine for being more LGBT friendly. The path to liberation of queer Palestinians does not exist in a world where Israel commits genocide of Palestinians, just like when the USSR was dissolved, the Russian Federation became far more socially reactionary.
Either your premise is that Russians and Iranians are genetically queerphobic, or we need to acknowledge that the path to progress is set backwards by capitulation to Imperialism. Once Western Imperialism is out of the picture, the already existing social movements in countries targeted by Imperialism will be able to struggle on a much greater footing.
Again, you call me dogmatic, but I am principled. My principles don’t involve allowing Western Imperialists to use my sexuality as a cudgel against their enemies, when said cudgel would result in far more devastation for queer folk, not liberation. For more evidence, just look at Iraq post-US invasion, the million dead Iraqis had a large number of queer people too. There was no social liberation coming to them, just bombs and the US carving as many resources as they could out of Iraq.
Ultimately, the path to social progress anywhere, not just Russia and Iraq, is absolutely destroyed if they fall under the devastation of Western Imperialism. We can learn from Cuba, which now has one of the most progressive family codes in the world, or watch as the younger generations in the PRC increasingly fight for better LGBT rights as the older generations fade in relevancy.
Is any idea which emerges from the west imperialism? Is my brother, who stands on my shoulder and demands my rights as a human be respected, an imperialist because he was born in the United states? Am I to see him as less of an ally than a Russian nationalist who will lay down his life to oppose “globohomo” western ideals.
This is the structuralist shit I’m talking about. I thought the bourgeoisie state created the tools of its own demise! Or have we come full circle to where there ultimate sacrifice of the imperialist is to subrogate a lesser imperialism for a greater… non-socialism? Is progress counter revolutionary if we use the wrong words? Are we in a cartoon where Karl Marx has a flower for a face and a triangle flag running up his tail? We’ve transcended man versus author and have become man versus 19th century philosopher?
Like, nobody is making the normative argument that Russia should be a vassal state of the US. We are focused on the descriptive premise that Russia is not a symbol of leftist virtue. It’s just wild to me that this is controversial.
No, people born in the US are not automatically Imperialists. They typically benefit from Imperialism, but can absolutely work towards organizing and overthrowing US Imperialism. Ideas created in the West aren’t automatically bad, either, Marxism was created in the West. I don’t like the insinuation that being queer is a western idea, people have been queer throughout history and today countries like Cuba have the best LGBT rights.
Imperialism does create its own demise, but it delays the process of decay. Countries push back against Imperialism and this leaves Imperialist countries with less industrialization, leading to crisis. Of course, due to benefiting from Imperialism, as well as being a settler-country, the US Proletariat is very reactionary, and this is a genuine obstacle that needs to be overcome. And it must be overcome, as @Edie@lemmy.ml said, it will not die by itself.
Russia is indeed not a symbol of Leftist virtue, that isn’t controversial. What people in the West should do about Russia is what’s controversial, and what people in the West should do is informed by their stance on Imperialism and how they view that word.
I thought the bourgeoisie state created the tools of its own demise!
The bourgeoise will indeed make their own downfall. They will gladly sell us the rope used to hang them with. The laws, the working of capitalism will deteriorate conditions for the proletariat readying them to do that hanging.
But the bourgeois will not hang themselves. And without work, the downfall will not happen.
A fallow field will not make food, it will create dirt more ripe for it, through the laws, the working of nature. But we must sow the seeds, and watch them, potentially spray them with pesticide, and finally harvest them.
For starters, the PRC may have liberals, but the overall economic system is firmly Socialist and is guided by Marxism-Leninism. It’s working as a Socialist state should, by gradual improvements.
As for Russia and Iran socially, I agree that they are indeed socially backwards. I have no reason to believe this is a problem of ethnicity, nor do I have any reason to believe that either nation capitulating to Western Imperialism would be a victory for queer people in either country. Massive social progress is necessary, and that is best found by retaining national sovereignty and progressing.
As a queer person myself, this line of thought of yours is the same as the Zionists who claim Israel has moral superiority over Palestine for being more LGBT friendly. The path to liberation of queer Palestinians does not exist in a world where Israel commits genocide of Palestinians, just like when the USSR was dissolved, the Russian Federation became far more socially reactionary.
Either your premise is that Russians and Iranians are genetically queerphobic, or we need to acknowledge that the path to progress is set backwards by capitulation to Imperialism. Once Western Imperialism is out of the picture, the already existing social movements in countries targeted by Imperialism will be able to struggle on a much greater footing.
Again, you call me dogmatic, but I am principled. My principles don’t involve allowing Western Imperialists to use my sexuality as a cudgel against their enemies, when said cudgel would result in far more devastation for queer folk, not liberation. For more evidence, just look at Iraq post-US invasion, the million dead Iraqis had a large number of queer people too. There was no social liberation coming to them, just bombs and the US carving as many resources as they could out of Iraq.
Ultimately, the path to social progress anywhere, not just Russia and Iraq, is absolutely destroyed if they fall under the devastation of Western Imperialism. We can learn from Cuba, which now has one of the most progressive family codes in the world, or watch as the younger generations in the PRC increasingly fight for better LGBT rights as the older generations fade in relevancy.
Is any idea which emerges from the west imperialism? Is my brother, who stands on my shoulder and demands my rights as a human be respected, an imperialist because he was born in the United states? Am I to see him as less of an ally than a Russian nationalist who will lay down his life to oppose “globohomo” western ideals.
This is the structuralist shit I’m talking about. I thought the bourgeoisie state created the tools of its own demise! Or have we come full circle to where there ultimate sacrifice of the imperialist is to subrogate a lesser imperialism for a greater… non-socialism? Is progress counter revolutionary if we use the wrong words? Are we in a cartoon where Karl Marx has a flower for a face and a triangle flag running up his tail? We’ve transcended man versus author and have become man versus 19th century philosopher?
Like, nobody is making the normative argument that Russia should be a vassal state of the US. We are focused on the descriptive premise that Russia is not a symbol of leftist virtue. It’s just wild to me that this is controversial.
You’re doing it again.
No, people born in the US are not automatically Imperialists. They typically benefit from Imperialism, but can absolutely work towards organizing and overthrowing US Imperialism. Ideas created in the West aren’t automatically bad, either, Marxism was created in the West. I don’t like the insinuation that being queer is a western idea, people have been queer throughout history and today countries like Cuba have the best LGBT rights.
Imperialism does create its own demise, but it delays the process of decay. Countries push back against Imperialism and this leaves Imperialist countries with less industrialization, leading to crisis. Of course, due to benefiting from Imperialism, as well as being a settler-country, the US Proletariat is very reactionary, and this is a genuine obstacle that needs to be overcome. And it must be overcome, as @Edie@lemmy.ml said, it will not die by itself.
Russia is indeed not a symbol of Leftist virtue, that isn’t controversial. What people in the West should do about Russia is what’s controversial, and what people in the West should do is informed by their stance on Imperialism and how they view that word.
The bourgeoise will indeed make their own downfall. They will gladly sell us the rope used to hang them with. The laws, the working of capitalism will deteriorate conditions for the proletariat readying them to do that hanging.
But the bourgeois will not hang themselves. And without work, the downfall will not happen.
A fallow field will not make food, it will create dirt more ripe for it, through the laws, the working of nature. But we must sow the seeds, and watch them, potentially spray them with pesticide, and finally harvest them.