• MartianSands@sh.itjust.works
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      22 hours ago

      Israel and trump appear to be claiming to have defeated the Iranian air defense, and achieve air supremacy over the Iranian capital.

      If that’s true then Iran is in deep trouble, and inviting them to surrender wouldn’t be unreasonable. I very much doubt that it is true, but that’s what they seem to believe

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        21 hours ago

        The US has had air supremacy in every conflict it has been in for a long time and it hasn’t won a single one of them. It would topple the Iranian regime with a ground invasion, but air strikes won’t do that. And the US would certainly lose an insurgent war just like it did everywhere else.

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          Air supremacy, on its own, doesn’t win wars. It does, however, lead to massive civilian casualties.

          So now the Iranian people will bleed because someone wants the imams gone, just like most of the Iranian people do.

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          Judging from all this I think the US will just kill the theocratic dictator Mr whoever and let Israel do what they want to do next, so there’s no winning or losing here to the US at least.

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            Given that the regime has been around for fifty years, I really doubt that killing the head of state would destroy the state. They have a much deeper bench than that I would assume

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              They also have decent records of relevant political figures which are in no doubt in the hands of the US.

              Seriously, the nazis were able to compile lists of political enemies (suspected to be) in Brtiain 85 years ago.

              It’s not a stretch to suggest the US knows exactly who is relevant to keeping the regime alive, whom to imprison and whom to kill.

              Collapsing a nation is far easier than establishing a new one after all.

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              The Ba’ath Party was in for almost that long in Iraq. It didn’t help them.

              Though the Iranian theocracy has more rule by committee, so they’re probably more resilient than a paranoid one-man dictatorship.

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        Remember that Iran is still controlled by an extremist religious regime they are ready to die. They will never surrender

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          The US is controlled by an extremist religious regime that I think actually wants to die to start their rapture. God, what a shit show. There should be a continent where the rest of us can just go live in peace while these assholes kill each other and hate minorities.

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            21 hours ago

            Israel always continued aggression in their war. Like during the nekba they destroyed hundred of villages after arab surrendered

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        From what I’ve seen from western media, Iran is a paper tiger and are pretty thoroughly getting their shit smashed in. How much is distorted or kept from us, difficult to say.

        The claims of Iran shooting down (multiple) F-35s seem unsubstantiated and bogus. The pictures of them are very obvious fakes. Those air defenses they have/had apparently weren’t up to the task.

        That said, as duplicitious as Trump and Netanyahu are, an invitation to surrender looks like an obvious trap.

      • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
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        19 hours ago

        Israel and trump appear to be claiming to have defeated the Iranian air defense

        Yeah we know they will claim that no matter how far they have to stretch words.