Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed for the first time that Israel delivered Patriot air defense systems to Kyiv, adding two more batteries will arrive in the fall after months of speculation and denials
This is not a “poisoned gift”. I would argue it’s inappropriate to use the term in this context.
We don’t have any other option. Considering the situation it would be absurd to not accept the Patriot systems. Hopefully the PAC-2’s will be upgraded by the Americans to newer variants to better deal will “regular” ballistic missiles and the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic missiles.
Anyone taking a principled stance against genocide will. Sorry, but Ukraine needs to find another way than to become indebted to a fascist regime like Israel.
They are actively under fire from fascists, and the rest of the world is failing to step up and help. They need what they can get.
This is extremely cursed and it will definitely have strings attached that no one wants, but in a question of survival vs not, I don’t blame them one bit. This is a decision centered around “we have to survive today to solve this problem tomorrow”.
Honestly, taking arms from Israel, while it kind of helps Israel’s reputation, still means less equipment doing genocide.
A win in my book. Now, if only Ukraine took 50 more, the Flotilla broke through and some sane country got Netanyahu to the ICJ, the world would be a better place.
I considered this, and it kind of makes sense. But, unfortunately Israel has an effectively limitless arsenal because of US patronage. So, I don’t think it really affects their project.
[1] is not valid. Anyone with modicum of critical thinking can understand the context.
[2] Do you have any sources (preferably in Ukrainian) on this? You’re implying Zelenskyy is being manipulated, this is a big claim, what is the context? Zelenskyy was planning to call Netanyahu a dictator in a public manner before they provided the Patriot system? And now he changed his mind?
[3] Conspiracy theory that doesn’t even make logical sense. What are they planning to blackmail Zelenskyy for?
And what does what your wrote have to do with “Ukrainians supporting their war crimes”. Your points are just random, extremely low effort musings and conspiracy theories.
Israel is trying to whitewash their genocide by “supporting” the conflict that would bring in the most good PR, which happens to be the Russia-Ukraine war.
It says little about Ukraine, a bit more about Israel, but a lot about public conscience - people are rising up against Israeli genocide, and Israel feels the need to do something to shift the media focus.
Honestly I’d rather Ukraine have them than Israel. Am I supposed to be mad that they’ve micro-disarmed by doing this? Fuck no that’s a bit less firepower in Israel’s hands
Keep going! We love your charity Israel, give it ALL to Ukraine! 🥴
No, but I didn’t delude myself into thinking it matters either, and now somehow because Ukraine has weapons that Israel didn’t use in their genocide they’ve got cooties or something.
People in here like “Now Ukraine is guilty by association! Tainted morals! Blood on their hands!” - it doesn’t matter.
Now, what’s fucked up, who does have blood on their hands, is the United Ststes who are obviously going to resupply Israel.
As a finn, I very much want “gifts” from Israel. Their air defence systems are amazing, and they have very nice looking defence capabilities against drones. Which seems to be a growing risk from Russia.
I hope nobody is surprised to hear that I value the people of Finland over the people of palestine.
Talk about a poisoned gift…
Nobody wants gifts from Israel, but Ukraine desperately needs the hardware.
Damned if they do, damned if they don’t…
This is not a “poisoned gift”. I would argue it’s inappropriate to use the term in this context.
We don’t have any other option. Considering the situation it would be absurd to not accept the Patriot systems. Hopefully the PAC-2’s will be upgraded by the Americans to newer variants to better deal will “regular” ballistic missiles and the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic missiles.
For real, who can judge them for this
Anyone taking a principled stance against genocide will. Sorry, but Ukraine needs to find another way than to become indebted to a fascist regime like Israel.
They are actively under fire from fascists, and the rest of the world is failing to step up and help. They need what they can get.
This is extremely cursed and it will definitely have strings attached that no one wants, but in a question of survival vs not, I don’t blame them one bit. This is a decision centered around “we have to survive today to solve this problem tomorrow”.
They’re not becoming indebted. It’s part of US Israel talks. The system is 30 years old, they need to replace it regardless.
Sending it to Ukraine is preferable than sending it to a landfill.
Honestly, taking arms from Israel, while it kind of helps Israel’s reputation, still means less equipment doing genocide.
A win in my book. Now, if only Ukraine took 50 more, the Flotilla broke through and some sane country got Netanyahu to the ICJ, the world would be a better place.
I considered this, and it kind of makes sense. But, unfortunately Israel has an effectively limitless arsenal because of US patronage. So, I don’t think it really affects their project.
Yes, that’s why it’s potentially poison. Ukraine had no other option than to take it. No one will blame them.
I still don’t see how transfer of Patriot systems from Israel is akin to taking a poisoned gift. In context of the idiom, this doesn’t make sense.
They are just buying Ukranian support for their warcrimes. Damned if you don’t, damned if you do.
What do you mean by “Ukrainian support for their war crimes”? Be clear and specific.
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[1] is not valid. Anyone with modicum of critical thinking can understand the context. [2] Do you have any sources (preferably in Ukrainian) on this? You’re implying Zelenskyy is being manipulated, this is a big claim, what is the context? Zelenskyy was planning to call Netanyahu a dictator in a public manner before they provided the Patriot system? And now he changed his mind? [3] Conspiracy theory that doesn’t even make logical sense. What are they planning to blackmail Zelenskyy for?
And what does what your wrote have to do with “Ukrainians supporting their war crimes”. Your points are just random, extremely low effort musings and conspiracy theories.
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Israel is trying to whitewash their genocide by “supporting” the conflict that would bring in the most good PR, which happens to be the Russia-Ukraine war.
It says little about Ukraine, a bit more about Israel, but a lot about public conscience - people are rising up against Israeli genocide, and Israel feels the need to do something to shift the media focus.
Honestly I’d rather Ukraine have them than Israel. Am I supposed to be mad that they’ve micro-disarmed by doing this? Fuck no that’s a bit less firepower in Israel’s hands
Keep going! We love your charity Israel, give it ALL to Ukraine! 🥴
Did you really delude yourself into thinking that this makes a difference?
No, but I didn’t delude myself into thinking it matters either, and now somehow because Ukraine has weapons that Israel didn’t use in their genocide they’ve got cooties or something.
People in here like “Now Ukraine is guilty by association! Tainted morals! Blood on their hands!” - it doesn’t matter.
Now, what’s fucked up, who does have blood on their hands, is the United Ststes who are obviously going to resupply Israel.
But that doesn’t make Ukraine guilty.
This is even worse they bought these from them and they are basically moving aid from EU and NATO to Israel Wich get its stuff from the US for free…
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As a finn, I very much want “gifts” from Israel. Their air defence systems are amazing, and they have very nice looking defence capabilities against drones. Which seems to be a growing risk from Russia.
I hope nobody is surprised to hear that I value the people of Finland over the people of palestine.
Yeah well, Finland has a tradition of shamelessly using unsavory regimes to keep the Russians at bay.
I find it concerning you value people at different levels in general.
Yeah, it makes me a pretty horrible person to be just like every other person in that regard.