I looked at taking a train from Albuquerque to Denver for a concert, the trip takes 2-3 days and goes from Albuquerque toto Chicago to Denver and one way cost more than a round trip flight. For reference, it is a 7ish hour drive.
Their long hauls are definitely more vacation based, where the ride is part of the journey - and if you’re not into that then I get how you feel. Amtrak has been doing a great job at refocusing on corridors. The east coast obviously, then they’re working hard on a few key ones like:
Minneapolis to Chicago
Portland-Seattle-Vancouver
California corridor
Eventually, here’s hoping, the Frontrange: Pueblo-Colorado Springs-Denver-Fort Collins-Cheyenne.
Those are all shorter trips that don’t make much sense to fly with how short it is, and with a few daily trips makes traveling between those cities much easier. Personally those are much better usages of Amtrak’s time. I’ve taken the Portland-Seattle-Vancouver one multiple times and it’s so much nicer than driving - but it’s max 4 hours.
I wish they’d upgrade their long haul routes to go faster. There’s one from SLC to SF I’m interested in, but it takes 18 hours, vs 11 by car or 2 by plane. If it was faster than driving, I’d consider it to avoid the airport.
I don’t blame them for focusing on the easier trips though.
Same, but with the limited funding I get why. Shorter trips like that make money, long hauls don’t - and since they don’t own the tracks they can’t even upgrade them or begin to do anything. I will say 18 is a lot (especially in a coach seat), but there is a positive of not having to drive. I usually take my steam deck and just zone out. Overnights though are tough in coach, for that you really have to want to be there.
Yeah, if I want to go anywhere interesting, it would be an overnight trip, with kids. A sleeping room is way too expensive, so it’s a nonstarter. If it was 3x the speed, it would probably be fine, especially if they left in the morning instead of the evening.
So yeah, the only train I take is the commuter, and only to go to the airport because there’s no connection from the train to my work (there’s a way to get there, but the trip would take 2 hours each way). The commuter can’t go very fast because it has to stop every 5-10 miles, but it’s fine since it goes about as fast as a car.
So yeah, here’s hoping Amtrak can make enough on the east coast to be able to upgrade the west coast.
Their long hauls are definitely more vacation based, where the ride is part of the journey
I get that, but I was looking for an alternative to driving 14 hours round trip. Even if the trip took 7 hours each way, I am not driving it. But to go from 7 hours to 45 hours is insane. For a show on the 5th of November in Denver I have to leave Albuquerque on the 3rd, then leave Denver on the 6th to get back home on the 8th. $171 for the cheap seats each way.
I live near SLC and go get to San Francisco is about 18 hours, and that’s a straight shot. Coach costs about $120, each way, which is about the same price as a non-budget airline. There’s only one train each day and it runs from midnight to about 6PM the next day.
By car it’s about 11 hours and about 2 hours by airplane.
So it’s:
slower
not cheaper, perhaps more expensive if you don’t mind budget flights
less flexible - one train/day in most cases
There are tons of places I just can’t get to, like Las Vegas.
If I was retired or something when spending more time was totally fine, I’d consider taking the train. But as it stands, it’s just not a practical option unless the train is the destination.
I looked at taking a train from Albuquerque to Denver for a concert, the trip takes 2-3 days and goes from Albuquerque toto Chicago to Denver and one way cost more than a round trip flight. For reference, it is a 7ish hour drive.
Their long hauls are definitely more vacation based, where the ride is part of the journey - and if you’re not into that then I get how you feel. Amtrak has been doing a great job at refocusing on corridors. The east coast obviously, then they’re working hard on a few key ones like:
Those are all shorter trips that don’t make much sense to fly with how short it is, and with a few daily trips makes traveling between those cities much easier. Personally those are much better usages of Amtrak’s time. I’ve taken the Portland-Seattle-Vancouver one multiple times and it’s so much nicer than driving - but it’s max 4 hours.
I wish they’d upgrade their long haul routes to go faster. There’s one from SLC to SF I’m interested in, but it takes 18 hours, vs 11 by car or 2 by plane. If it was faster than driving, I’d consider it to avoid the airport.
I don’t blame them for focusing on the easier trips though.
Same, but with the limited funding I get why. Shorter trips like that make money, long hauls don’t - and since they don’t own the tracks they can’t even upgrade them or begin to do anything. I will say 18 is a lot (especially in a coach seat), but there is a positive of not having to drive. I usually take my steam deck and just zone out. Overnights though are tough in coach, for that you really have to want to be there.
Yeah, if I want to go anywhere interesting, it would be an overnight trip, with kids. A sleeping room is way too expensive, so it’s a nonstarter. If it was 3x the speed, it would probably be fine, especially if they left in the morning instead of the evening.
So yeah, the only train I take is the commuter, and only to go to the airport because there’s no connection from the train to my work (there’s a way to get there, but the trip would take 2 hours each way). The commuter can’t go very fast because it has to stop every 5-10 miles, but it’s fine since it goes about as fast as a car.
So yeah, here’s hoping Amtrak can make enough on the east coast to be able to upgrade the west coast.
I get that, but I was looking for an alternative to driving 14 hours round trip. Even if the trip took 7 hours each way, I am not driving it. But to go from 7 hours to 45 hours is insane. For a show on the 5th of November in Denver I have to leave Albuquerque on the 3rd, then leave Denver on the 6th to get back home on the 8th. $171 for the cheap seats each way.
I live near SLC and go get to San Francisco is about 18 hours, and that’s a straight shot. Coach costs about $120, each way, which is about the same price as a non-budget airline. There’s only one train each day and it runs from midnight to about 6PM the next day.
By car it’s about 11 hours and about 2 hours by airplane.
So it’s:
There are tons of places I just can’t get to, like Las Vegas.
If I was retired or something when spending more time was totally fine, I’d consider taking the train. But as it stands, it’s just not a practical option unless the train is the destination.