The local Portland chapter of the World Naked Bike Ride group posted, “Emergency World Naked Bike Ride coming up in response to the militarization of our city. Plans are being worked on.”

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    This feels good but I don’t know that it’s a good idea long-term. This may just antagonize the forces the feds send in even further, when they need to be reminded that we’re all just Americans. Don’t forget the cult deprogramming tactics:

    Build rapport and trust. Rebuild your relationship, if it’s broken. If you were the one to break contact, apologize. Reach out and be warm. Remember the good times. Focus on common values and areas you both enjoy (children, pets, music, dancing, fishing, sports). At first, don’t talk about controversial topics. Avoid “hot topics.” Just try to connect with the other person and have positive interactions. Build credibility and sustain positive interaction. Build a long-term relationship based upon respect, compassion, and love.

    Do what you can to remove or minimize media that continually indoctrinates to only one point of view. This may only apply to certain types of cult groups. But it may be in the form of social media, videos, or television. You can even agree to make a pact to go on a media fast together. Don’t make this about “them” or “their problem.” Make this a fun thing to do together as a “break.” Be prepared to honor requests on your end.

    Ask thought-provoking questions while being warm and curious. Be prepared to listen deeply. You will know if you have listened well if you can repeat back to them what they said. Be humble and open to hearing what they say.

    Keep conversations positive, productive, and civil. Never get angry. Stay resourceful. It is better to end the interaction than to say something counter-productive. It is better to return to the conversation at another time, rather than the person cutting off all communication out of anger or fear.

    Adopt a general tone of curiosity and interest in their positions. Pretend you’re an impartial counselor. Really try to get inside their beliefs.

    Try to connect them with their authentic identity before these extreme beliefs. Remind them of past experiences together. Talk about the connection you once had and how you miss it.

    Don’t “tell” them anything. Help them to make discoveries on their own.

    Try to get them to look at reality from many different perspectives. This can include many things.

    Teach them about indoctrination and mind control. Use examples for which they have no attachment.

    Use examples of cult leaders with similar qualities to their group’s leader(s) and have conversations about it.

    Share feelings and perceptions, not judgments. Use “I feel” statements. Don’t claim to be “right.” Stick to what your perception is when reflecting back to them.

    Ask a question and then wait for them to think and respond. Be patient. You do not need to fill silence.

    Caution: an abundance of facts won’t necessarily help. Do not overwhelm them with information, especially if it attacks the leader or doctrine.

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        “My dear, what you are doing is simply idiotic. When you step on the tail of a snake, it will simply bite you. You must cut off its head!” - Woman who lived through Nazi Germany, “The World At War” (1973)

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        My uncle is a Republican, always has been. His views have only become truly toxic since Obama was elected and a propaganda/hate machine that had been slowly building momentum dropped a gear and went over the horizon. So for less than a 5th of his life he has been an asshole on Facebook and voted Republican and you think he and everyone like him, in the entire country, needs to be exterminated?

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          If when somebody goes “Kill nazis!” and your response is “Oh no, not my uncle!”

          Then yes.

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            I am saying that your hyperbole is including people like my uncle you nonce, and it’s dangerous. We need to DeNazify, not exterminate. If you’re lucky enough to feel otherwise, congratulations I guess, either your family is “pure” or you’re lonely as fuck

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              People like you tolerate them to the point where they can do their nazi shit out in the open. You’re part of the problem too. “Mah famerly!” fuck off.

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                  “No u” isn’t as effective as you might imagine. I’m on the side of kill nazis. You can’t muddy that water.

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                    What is your plan for all of the otherwise non radical citizens that have been so soaked in propaganda that they believe what Fox tells them? Do you have a plan?

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                    And reducing my argument to “No U” is infantilizing and really just a poor insult. It adds nothing to simply accuse someone of a logical fallacy and give no context to the accusation.

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                    I am also on the side of “Kill Nazis”

                    The debate is who qualifies, and you are being very extreme.

                    Do we exterminate a third of the country?

                    If that’s what you believe, say “We should exterminate a third of the country”

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                You don’t know fuck all about me, and making assumptions like you are is ugly as fuck.

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      Everybody on both sides is getting ready to kill their neighbors, it’s fucking terrifying.