Conservatives. Conservatives are renowned for stigmatising LGBT folk out here in the real world. I thought most people knew this, but apparently not you.
I never claimed they were at all logical. Conservatives? Nope.
To actually answer your question, though, it’s a vicious cycle passed down from generation to generation. A bit of teasing others for being different is normal in children because of the fear of others, but responsible adults and parents teach children that that’s not OK and a lot of people learn to share and be kind. Not so much conservatives. Conservatism is a developmental/learning disorder.
The ones that go on as adults to be loud homophobes and start making all kinds of claims about how it’s a choice and objecting to the existence of gay literature or gay porn or out gay people are clearly still frightened, but of what? Why do they feel the need to make it so clear they want nothing to do with it? Why do they call gay porn temptation if it isn’t tempting? Why do they worry that young people will see something gay and feel the urge to join “the gay lifestyle” if it left them cold and unmoved? Why so they call it a lifestyle choice if they never had to choose? The answer is really simple but somehow you can’t see it and you instead deny it strongly.
Just because you believe something to be true, does not make it true. Its really important you grapple with that fact.
If the origin of homophobia is from fear of the other, why can that not persist as a major cause going forward. Especially as you note people do not, at scale, act rationally.
This is the only bigotry where people try and pin it mostly on the minority who suffer from it.
You would never accuse misogynists of being secret women, or racists of being secretly black.
Its only here where the difference is invisible that you like to deny, diminish and downplay the involvement of the majority in upholding bigotry.
You can’t have it both ways, either they’re hypocritical closeted LGBTQ+ Republicans who crash grindr when their GOP convention turns up, turning their self hatred into a horrible climate of fear that keeps people miserable and closeted, (in which case they’re not just nasty, they’re betraying each other), or they’re not victims.
There are homophobic gay people in the closet, I have never once denied it.
No, you just spent three days trying to tell me I was victim blaming when I’m blaming the perpetrators. You just didn’t realise you were being illogical
You denied the evidence of the GOP frequently crashing grindr when they get together, and you irrationally believe that people who loudly proclaim that “the gay lifestyle is a choice” aren’t themselves bi and also believe that rates of public reporting of bisexuality match actual levels of bisexuality despite the deep stigma attached to it from multiple quarters, but especially closeted bi republicans who think that if they can just make the social consequences that bit worse, it’ll keep them from regressing and watching all that naughty porn again and going on grindr when they’re away from home.
So congrats for finally backing down on your absurd claim that I shouldn’t blame hypocritical closeted bi rightwingers for giving the LGBTQ+ community a hard time, but 0/10 for actually admitting your error. Just like a republican. Switch tactic to attack something else.
Yet another “protect the children” maga pastor turns out to be sexually abusing children. Are you going to tell me I’m mean for saying that a bunch of republicans who loudly claim to be protecting children from trans people (who they call pedos) and immigrant criminals turn out to be the ones abusing the children and committing the crimes.
The thing you have to remember about the republicans, my gullible little internet interlocutor, is that their attacks are almost always their own guilt being projected.
STOP BELIEVING the rightwing homophobes when they tell you they’re not gay. Definitely not. Never would want to do that. They just need you to remove all the gay porn and out gay men from society to stop other people, yes definitely other people, from being tempted into “the gay lifestyle”.
Conservatives. Conservatives are renowned for stigmatising LGBT folk out here in the real world. I thought most people knew this, but apparently not you.
But only gay conservatives according to you.
And the reason they stigmatise queer people is … because they’re conservative.
If you insist that according to logic homophobia comes from queer people in denial, you need to bridge that last gap to avoid circular reasoning.
I never claimed they were at all logical. Conservatives? Nope.
To actually answer your question, though, it’s a vicious cycle passed down from generation to generation. A bit of teasing others for being different is normal in children because of the fear of others, but responsible adults and parents teach children that that’s not OK and a lot of people learn to share and be kind. Not so much conservatives. Conservatism is a developmental/learning disorder.
The ones that go on as adults to be loud homophobes and start making all kinds of claims about how it’s a choice and objecting to the existence of gay literature or gay porn or out gay people are clearly still frightened, but of what? Why do they feel the need to make it so clear they want nothing to do with it? Why do they call gay porn temptation if it isn’t tempting? Why do they worry that young people will see something gay and feel the urge to join “the gay lifestyle” if it left them cold and unmoved? Why so they call it a lifestyle choice if they never had to choose? The answer is really simple but somehow you can’t see it and you instead deny it strongly.
Just because you believe something to be true, does not make it true. Its really important you grapple with that fact.
If the origin of homophobia is from fear of the other, why can that not persist as a major cause going forward. Especially as you note people do not, at scale, act rationally.
This is the only bigotry where people try and pin it mostly on the minority who suffer from it.
You would never accuse misogynists of being secret women, or racists of being secretly black.
Its only here where the difference is invisible that you like to deny, diminish and downplay the involvement of the majority in upholding bigotry.
No one feels a lot of sympathy for a bunch of hypocrites being extraordinarily nasty to LGBTQ+ folks just to cover up their own shame and self hatred.
No. Your sob story is BULLSHIT.
I’m not asking you to have sympathy for bigots.
I’m asking you not to blame victims of bigotry for the existence of thst bigotry.
You can’t have it both ways, either they’re hypocritical closeted LGBTQ+ Republicans who crash grindr when their GOP convention turns up, turning their self hatred into a horrible climate of fear that keeps people miserable and closeted, (in which case they’re not just nasty, they’re betraying each other), or they’re not victims.
So, again, NO.
Your sob story is BULLSHIT.
There are homophobic gay people in the closet, I have never once denied it.
What I dont agree with is that that accounts for most homophobes
Are you really incapable of understanding the distinction?
No, you just spent three days trying to tell me I was victim blaming when I’m blaming the perpetrators. You just didn’t realise you were being illogical
You denied the evidence of the GOP frequently crashing grindr when they get together, and you irrationally believe that people who loudly proclaim that “the gay lifestyle is a choice” aren’t themselves bi and also believe that rates of public reporting of bisexuality match actual levels of bisexuality despite the deep stigma attached to it from multiple quarters, but especially closeted bi republicans who think that if they can just make the social consequences that bit worse, it’ll keep them from regressing and watching all that naughty porn again and going on grindr when they’re away from home.
So congrats for finally backing down on your absurd claim that I shouldn’t blame hypocritical closeted bi rightwingers for giving the LGBTQ+ community a hard time, but 0/10 for actually admitting your error. Just like a republican. Switch tactic to attack something else.
Yet another “protect the children” maga pastor turns out to be sexually abusing children. Are you going to tell me I’m mean for saying that a bunch of republicans who loudly claim to be protecting children from trans people (who they call pedos) and immigrant criminals turn out to be the ones abusing the children and committing the crimes.
The thing you have to remember about the republicans, my gullible little internet interlocutor, is that their attacks are almost always their own guilt being projected.
STOP BELIEVING the rightwing homophobes when they tell you they’re not gay. Definitely not. Never would want to do that. They just need you to remove all the gay porn and out gay men from society to stop other people, yes definitely other people, from being tempted into “the gay lifestyle”.