• village604@adultswim.fan
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    16 hours ago

    You can only do that if you had no tax liability the previous year. If you try, your employer will likely kick it back for you to fix, or the IRS will send them a letter telling them to fix it.

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        14 hours ago

        Yes, but you have to have had none the previous year to claim the tax exempt status that lets you avoid any withholding.

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          14 hours ago

          Horseshit.

          If I’m not going to have a tax liability this year, I don’t have to allow withholding this year. Last year’s tax liability is irrelevant to the issue. There is nothing in the tax code that requires me to loan money to the IRS that I know they will just have to return to me later.

          The reason not to do this is the additional penalty they will assess if my tax liability this year isn’t actually zero.

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            10 hours ago

            An employee can also use Form W-4 to tell you not to withhold any federal income tax. To qualify for this exempt status, the employee must have had no tax liability for the previous year and must expect to have no tax liability for the current year.

            https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc753

            I’m not sure why you thought I was making this up.

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              9 hours ago

              Why do you think I need “exempt status” to achieve zero withholding in a particular year?

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                  Tell me: What is the correct withholding for an individual who claims dependent credits (line 3) and/or deductions (line 4(b)) equal or greater than they expect in total income?

                  The math says that number is zero. Any number other than “zero” is not the correct withholding. There is no legal or mathematical justification for any other number: The correct withholding is “zero”.

                  The confusion arises from what “exempt status” actually means. If you read the instructions on the W4, you’ll find that what it actually means is that you are not disclosing your dependent credits and deductions via W4. You complete only steps 1(a) (your Name); 1(b) (your social security number) and 5 (signature and date). You write “exempt” under line 4© and provide no further information. You are not informing your employer or the IRS why there should be zero withholding; you are only informing them that you are exempt from withholding.

                  In this hypothetical, I’m not claiming exempt status. I don’t qualify to claim it, because I had a tax liability last year. That does not mean that some entirely arbitrary amount of money must be withheld for taxes I don’t actually owe. It means that I must actually disclose that I intend to claim credits and deductions exceeding my total income.

                  From the W4 instructions:

                  Exemption from withholding. You may claim exemption from withholding for 2025 if you meet both of the following conditions: you had no federal income tax liability in 2024 and you expect to have no federal income tax liability in 2025. You had no federal income tax liability in 2024 if (1) your total tax on line 24 on your 2024 Form 1040 or 1040-SR is zero (or less than the sum of lines 27, 28, and 29), or (2) you were not required to file a return because your income was below the filing threshold for your correct filing status. If you claim exemption, you will have no income tax withheld from your paycheck and may owe taxes and penalties when you file your 2025 tax return. To claim exemption from withholding, certify that you meet both of the conditions above by writing “Exempt” on Form W-4 in the space below Step 4©. Then, complete Steps 1(a), 1(b), and 5. Do not complete any other steps.