why is it that people say “all religions are bad” whenever a post involving islam shows up, but not when there’s a Christmas post, or is a picture of Easter bunnies…
People shit on Christianity all the time and it’s not like anyone at least here bats an eye. But when it’s Islam it’s “all religions are bad”. People are a bit more careful with Islam lol
I guess it’s in part because it’s hard to distinguish if the negative attitude toward Islam is racism or just against the religion. Christianity is viewed as white – at least that’s the impression I get – so that distinction doesn’t exist. It is interesting to see how the two are handled so differently
Because Christmas is a holiday and Islam is a religion? Christmas wasn’t even Christian until it was coopted by the Catholic Church. Many atheists celebrate it cause it’s more of a cultural holiday too. What an incredibly silly and disingenuous comparison.
I call bullshit on atheists celebrating Christmas.
If you celebrate it you’re Christian, feel free to call yourself cultural Christian or atheist Christian. but celebrating Christmas is a Christian thing.
I don’t believe in God and still celebrate my Jewish holidays, and I call myself an atheist jew, a common thing in Judaism.
and I call myself an atheist jew, a common thing in Judaism.
I don’t think it makes sense to equivocate Jewish identity with Christianity, because Christianity is a universal religion, not an ethnic religion. Atheists I know who celebrate Christian holidays don’t consider themselves Christian, Christianity is considered to be about the belief system, not the culture surrounding it. Any remaining Christian influence is treated more like a cultural tradition than a religious event. The way Christmas is celebrated in the ones I’ve been to, you could simply change the name and it would then be a completely secular feast. It’s derived from (not influenced by!) a pagan event, so most of its core features aren’t even related to Christianity in the first place, not even the date. Christianity is surprisingly arbitrary in Christmas.
Like you mentioned, Christian atheism appears to be an established concept in other countries, along with similar concepts like lapsed Catholics. I only personally know one person like this, who identifies as a Lutherian but not believing in a higher power, and other people I’ve mentioned it to consider that to be odd and contradictory.
It’s not even about declaring themselves default. Many countries used to have 90+% of population identifying as Christian, with persecution against non-Christians. Christianity was/is taught in schools, determines the public holidays, and was historically written into law, among a million other things. In these countries, they were the default. They were normal and their cultural legacy is still normal. Retaining the status quo of their traditions is not seen as religious celebration or worship, it’s spiritually empty.
Thought experiment: If a Christian attends a friend’s Hanukkah each year, watches the rituals and enjoys the food and company, do you believe this alone now makes them a Jew?
I mean… the Japanese who as a nation are mostly non-Christian and don’t know much about it beyond pop culture, celebrate Christmas. I mean it’s a couple’s holiday there, but they do all the superficial things around it. Plenty of non-Christians celebrate Christmas the way that many people celebrate Halloween. It’s just a fun little tradition cooped because a dominant culture enjoys it and doesn’t care too much if you don’t adhere to the heart, but just the ritual of it.
There are plenty of people who don’t know the first thing about what Christmas actually is that celebrate it.
Well what people are always going on about the paedophiles in the church. It’s like the first thing anyone ever comments whenever Christianity ever comes up.
Your just been selectively death when it comes to criticism.
I noticed that every post tangentially related to islam has comments condemning all religions, yet those comments are usually absent when the post is tangentially related to Christianity like a post about easter or Christmas.
IE, bringing up a Dawkins like atheism only when taking about a specific group, is just a lazy form of racism
As a follower of Jesus Christ, I’m disappointed you think that. I firmly believe there’s a religion for everyone on this planet. And that hatred of religion as a concept can easily lead to dismissing foreign cultures’ spiritual practices.
Why would you center your life around something that neither you, not any single person in the past 2000+ years has been able to verify or prove in even the most basic fashion?
Unfortunately. No thanks I have no hole to fill with lies.
In unevidenced claims. Nothing original to Christianity besides false prophet Jesus who didn’t fulfill Judaism prophecy. Not that it matters because that’s also not original. A messy evolution from beliefs Canaanites, Mesopotamia, and and other earlier civs had. Your god was just a violent minor god of among many, son of El. Hmm, IsraEL.
Nobody should be impressed by faith in Paul’s acid trip fan fiction and anonymous pick and choose your adventure authorship. Especially after learning history.
I agree with you completely, Christianity is a disease on society. I am not a Christian. I consider Christianity to be a blatant heresy against our lord and saviour, Jesus Christ. I, like Jesus, believe in the principles of Judaism. You might say I’m part of the Jesus-worshipping Jewish cult. Paul is the inventor of Christianity, and his innovation was to twist Judaism to fit with Roman ideals. Elohim is the god to the oppressed, and Paul thought he could make Him god to the oppressors. It’s a paradox.
I am deeply opposed to Roman ideology. Did you know the Nazis considered themselves to be Romans? And now we have a Fourth Reich of the Roman Empire gathering strength in the west. All very Christian, of course. So I tell you truly that I think as poorly of Christianity as you do, because I am a follower of Christ.
. And that hatred of religion as a concept can easily lead to dismissing foreign cultures’ spiritual practices
Yes, I’m going to dismiss foreign culture religion, just like I dismiss my culture’s religions. They’re not special just because they’re not from here, it’s still the same humans
Worshipping people 2 thousand years dead is stupid.
And if you found out the natives of the land you live on were teaching religion to their children, would you support the government kidnapping the children and putting them with white families to learn science and writing and “civilised manners”? That’s the kind of actual historical event I’m concerned about happening when religious knowledge is valued less than white people’s idea of academic knowledge.
Religious knowledge is explicitly less valuable than academic knowledge.
I’m not talking about christian, white people’s idea of manners and civilization. That is still awful. Instead of kidnapping, that’s what public schools should be for, teaching reading, writing, and science.
Those kidnappings were genocide. I advocate for religion to be suppressed, especially the sexist and racist ones(but not only), not for all forms of culture and tradition to be suppressed.
Well I will describe a religious belief I hold to you, and I’m eager to hear what you think of it.
Burning fossil fuels is a sin. We’re not supposed to dig them out of the ground and burn them. When fossil fuels are burned, they react and turn to greenhouse gases, which warm the planet and bring natural disasters. And because Elohim is a god of great wrath, the disasters do not just harm those who sinned, but everyone, and disproportionately the poorest who don’t have the resources to survive natural disaster. To find peace with the world around us, we must stop fossil fuel emissions and sacrifice our billionaires to Elohim upon a ritual pyre.
A great example on why religious knowledge is less valuable than scientific knowledge. The belief that the issues are that simple and blocks understanding of why it happens and how to prevent similar situations from recurring.
More however, the god parts have no value. If you insert science into religion, it’s still science. The science information should be extracted from the religious knowledge, and the less valuable religious parts discarded.
If you insert science into religion, it’s still science
And all religions have science in them. Pacific Islanders know things about wayfaring and wave dynamics that physicists are just now discovering. Colonisers in Australia spoiled the environment by disregarding indigenous conservation practices. Buddhists have been teaching western psychologists about the uses of meditation for the past two decades. The Haudenosaunee taught Karl Marx’s friends about communism. Muslims were avoiding dangerous meats before germ theory was invented. For hundreds of years, westerners have dismissed religious knowledge and said oopsie when they later learned there was science inside the religion. I caution you not to make the same mistake.
I’m appreciative that you’re entirely misunderstanding what I think should be happening in favor of writing your own narrative. I do not think that religious texts and oral histories should be erased. They should be studied. I think that religion deserves suppression. There will be no magical discoveries religious people make anymore. Most of that was likely not religious until they made it as such to get people to believe them in the first place.
The scientific information can and should be taken in. But, I explicitly said “less value” not no value in regards to religious knowledge, which you so kindly ignored, again to write your own narrative, one where you condescendingly assume I did not already know what you just stated
if those spiritual practices are being used to oppress, as is often the case, then good. We should disregard them. There are cultures who believe that sexually abusing young men is just, because they need to consume “the spirit of life” through another man’s semen in order to produce offspring. Should we be respecting those practices?
People are allowed to believe in whatever nonsense they like in the comfort of their own homes, but the second that shit spills out into the real world, it almost universally becomes a problem.
You do realise that atheism is not a religious position right? Atheist people don’t hate God despite what various Bible bashes try to claim, atheists don’t believe in God. It hard to hate someone that you don’t believe exists.
Equally atheists don’t hate religion as a concept, they just don’t find any of it to be convincing.
I do understand that. Theism and atheism are pretty much perpendicular to the issue of religion. There are many theistic religions, many atheistic religions, many irreligious theistic beliefs, and many irreligious atheistic beliefs. Though fewer irreligious people on both sides of the theism debate than I think most are willing to admit. For example any atheist who watches Andrew Tate’s videos is not, I think, an atheist or irreligious.
Religion is just believing without evidence. And with that “logic” you can make up anything and get people to believe in it. That is how every cult starts. A religion is just a long lasting cult. It is nothing more than a bit for control over people like you.
No wonder that the majority of religious people believe in the religion they were taught when they couldn’t think critically yet.
There are plenty of things that require belief without evidence that aren’t religion (conspiracy theories, pseudoscience). There are also religions that rely on science for answers, and so they do require evidence.
Yeah I’m totally flummoxed because I’m atheist so obviously I believe in the healing power of crystals. I don’t know what the scientific religion been alluded to is, but I’m assuming it’s Scientology, the fact that they think that shows you everything you need to know about them.
I’m afraid I don’t have time to answer all your hastily listed arguments with a well thought out response, so I’ll just pick one. You said religion is belief without evidence, but that’s faith. Religion is actually organised belief or worship. There are many religions that don’t require any faith to believe in.
For example many Buddhists don’t believe in any of the parts of the religion they consider supernatural, and instead focus on the philosophy and life advice, which is still religious in nature because of its organisation.
Worshippers of the Antichrist, Donald Trump, also don’t tend to believe without apparent evidence. The evidence they do believe in is all lies, but what they’re doing still isn’t faith. Being lied to with bad evidence isn’t faith.
And as a third example, the religion of Mammon, the worship of money, can be practiced entirely unknowingly and without the slightest suggestion of false belief. It’s clearly true that money runs the world, and many people worship money and capitalism because of its obvious and true power over us.
And I think if you don’t choose a religion consciously, then like many worshippers of Mammon, you may end up joining a system of organised worship unconsciously. The Lemmy developers are in a religion without knowing, it’s that easy.
It doesn’t matter how organised the belief is or how established the belief is, it’s still belief without evidence. I have no idea why you brought Trump up he has no bearing on this conversation whatsoever since his supporters don’t believe in him, they can see him right there in front of them. You don’t need to believe in things that demonstrably exist.
The Lemmy developers are Marxists, that’s a political opinion not a belief (for what it’s worth they would probably claim to be Christian). Do you seriously think it is impossible to hold opinions about any particular matter without them being religiously based, if so how does my preferred brand of peanut butter relate to religious dogma?
a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing. e.g. I believe in president Trump’s leadership
something that is accepted, considered to be true, or held as an opinion : something believed. e.g. Donald Trump is truly one of the presidents of all time
conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence. e.g. *President Trump sure does exist, alright, I looked at the evidence and I believe he’s real.
Trump’s worshippers fit all three definitions for belief in Trump, even if you and I wish they wouldn’t fit the first.
I’m sorry you’ve been lead to believe that belief is only for things that aren’t true. I hope one day you learn how to believe in true things like staplers and giraffes.
Your condescending attitude not withstanding I’ll address your point.
We are talking about religious belief, no one religiously believes in Trump, now you can use the word to describe his supporters if you want, but it’s a corruption of the idea (and before you start “corruption” here refers to redefining a words original concept). They like him a lot, that’s it. You can’t believe in Trump any more than you can believe in potatoes.
As for the education system having failed me, I think we’re operating far beyond anything the education system ever bothered to tackle.
Now if we could stop talking about Trump that would be great, because despite the fact you think you’re being clever, he’s completely irrelevant to the concept of religion. Just like most people who are losing the arguement you have reframed it to talk about a different subject matter to try and make me argue a point which is miles away from the original talking point.
There are plenty of people who don’t have a religion, and they seem to be just fine. I personally don’t think that I need religion, but since it seems to make my life better, I’m glad that I have it.
Eh, all religion is just cancer.
It is, but the manner in which this woman destroyed this douche was art.
why is it that people say “all religions are bad” whenever a post involving islam shows up, but not when there’s a Christmas post, or is a picture of Easter bunnies…
nice dogwhistle you got in there
People shit on Christianity all the time and it’s not like anyone at least here bats an eye. But when it’s Islam it’s “all religions are bad”. People are a bit more careful with Islam lol
example: https://lemmy.zip/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffiles.mastodon.social%2Fmedia_attachments%2Ffiles%2F115%2F350%2F202%2F195%2F763%2F351%2Foriginal%2F77326b89fbff2e6a.png
no comment about “all religions are cancer”
because Christianity is treated like normal rather than a religion
Yep, they are afraid of violent fundamentalists but also of liberals trying to cancel them…
I guess it’s in part because it’s hard to distinguish if the negative attitude toward Islam is racism or just against the religion. Christianity is viewed as white – at least that’s the impression I get – so that distinction doesn’t exist. It is interesting to see how the two are handled so differently
Because Christmas is a holiday and Islam is a religion? Christmas wasn’t even Christian until it was coopted by the Catholic Church. Many atheists celebrate it cause it’s more of a cultural holiday too. What an incredibly silly and disingenuous comparison.
it’s always so funny, when people try to explain that Christ mass is not a Christian thing.
just because it has influences from cultures it engulfed it doesn’t mean that the holiday meant to celebrate Christ isnt Christian.
Whoa you got me by ignoring every point 🤡
I call bullshit on atheists celebrating Christmas.
If you celebrate it you’re Christian, feel free to call yourself cultural Christian or atheist Christian. but celebrating Christmas is a Christian thing.
I don’t believe in God and still celebrate my Jewish holidays, and I call myself an atheist jew, a common thing in Judaism.
I don’t think it makes sense to equivocate Jewish identity with Christianity, because Christianity is a universal religion, not an ethnic religion. Atheists I know who celebrate Christian holidays don’t consider themselves Christian, Christianity is considered to be about the belief system, not the culture surrounding it. Any remaining Christian influence is treated more like a cultural tradition than a religious event. The way Christmas is celebrated in the ones I’ve been to, you could simply change the name and it would then be a completely secular feast. It’s derived from (not influenced by!) a pagan event, so most of its core features aren’t even related to Christianity in the first place, not even the date. Christianity is surprisingly arbitrary in Christmas.
Like you mentioned, Christian atheism appears to be an established concept in other countries, along with similar concepts like lapsed Catholics. I only personally know one person like this, who identifies as a Lutherian but not believing in a higher power, and other people I’ve mentioned it to consider that to be odd and contradictory.
that’s some bullshit.
Christians declares themselves the default and therefore everything they do is “normal” rather than a Christian thing.
It’s not even about declaring themselves default. Many countries used to have 90+% of population identifying as Christian, with persecution against non-Christians. Christianity was/is taught in schools, determines the public holidays, and was historically written into law, among a million other things. In these countries, they were the default. They were normal and their cultural legacy is still normal. Retaining the status quo of their traditions is not seen as religious celebration or worship, it’s spiritually empty.
Thought experiment: If a Christian attends a friend’s Hanukkah each year, watches the rituals and enjoys the food and company, do you believe this alone now makes them a Jew?
I mean… the Japanese who as a nation are mostly non-Christian and don’t know much about it beyond pop culture, celebrate Christmas. I mean it’s a couple’s holiday there, but they do all the superficial things around it. Plenty of non-Christians celebrate Christmas the way that many people celebrate Halloween. It’s just a fun little tradition cooped because a dominant culture enjoys it and doesn’t care too much if you don’t adhere to the heart, but just the ritual of it.
There are plenty of people who don’t know the first thing about what Christmas actually is that celebrate it.
Well what people are always going on about the paedophiles in the church. It’s like the first thing anyone ever comments whenever Christianity ever comes up.
Your just been selectively death when it comes to criticism.
example:
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no one mentions anything about pedos or"religions are cancer"
even though Christianity and Christian lore is the main focus of that post
You know damn well an Easter bunny is not comparable to burning a Quran. And plenty of people will say the same if you burn a Bible too
you missed my issue.
I noticed that every post tangentially related to islam has comments condemning all religions, yet those comments are usually absent when the post is tangentially related to Christianity like a post about easter or Christmas.
IE, bringing up a Dawkins like atheism only when taking about a specific group, is just a lazy form of racism
As a follower of Jesus Christ, I’m disappointed you think that. I firmly believe there’s a religion for everyone on this planet. And that hatred of religion as a concept can easily lead to dismissing foreign cultures’ spiritual practices.
Why would you center your life around something that neither you, not any single person in the past 2000+ years has been able to verify or prove in even the most basic fashion?
Don’t you care about believing true things?
Unfortunately. No thanks I have no hole to fill with lies.
In unevidenced claims. Nothing original to Christianity besides false prophet Jesus who didn’t fulfill Judaism prophecy. Not that it matters because that’s also not original. A messy evolution from beliefs Canaanites, Mesopotamia, and and other earlier civs had. Your god was just a violent minor god of among many, son of El. Hmm, IsraEL.
Nobody should be impressed by faith in Paul’s acid trip fan fiction and anonymous pick and choose your adventure authorship. Especially after learning history.
I agree with you completely, Christianity is a disease on society. I am not a Christian. I consider Christianity to be a blatant heresy against our lord and saviour, Jesus Christ. I, like Jesus, believe in the principles of Judaism. You might say I’m part of the Jesus-worshipping Jewish cult. Paul is the inventor of Christianity, and his innovation was to twist Judaism to fit with Roman ideals. Elohim is the god to the oppressed, and Paul thought he could make Him god to the oppressors. It’s a paradox.
I am deeply opposed to Roman ideology. Did you know the Nazis considered themselves to be Romans? And now we have a Fourth Reich of the Roman Empire gathering strength in the west. All very Christian, of course. So I tell you truly that I think as poorly of Christianity as you do, because I am a follower of Christ.
Give me a fucking break.
Yes, I’m going to dismiss foreign culture religion, just like I dismiss my culture’s religions. They’re not special just because they’re not from here, it’s still the same humans
Worshipping people 2 thousand years dead is stupid.
And if you found out the natives of the land you live on were teaching religion to their children, would you support the government kidnapping the children and putting them with white families to learn science and writing and “civilised manners”? That’s the kind of actual historical event I’m concerned about happening when religious knowledge is valued less than white people’s idea of academic knowledge.
It’s like you’re incapable of going a single comment without at least one logical fallacy.
Religious knowledge is explicitly less valuable than academic knowledge.
I’m not talking about christian, white people’s idea of manners and civilization. That is still awful. Instead of kidnapping, that’s what public schools should be for, teaching reading, writing, and science.
Those kidnappings were genocide. I advocate for religion to be suppressed, especially the sexist and racist ones(but not only), not for all forms of culture and tradition to be suppressed.
Well I will describe a religious belief I hold to you, and I’m eager to hear what you think of it.
Burning fossil fuels is a sin. We’re not supposed to dig them out of the ground and burn them. When fossil fuels are burned, they react and turn to greenhouse gases, which warm the planet and bring natural disasters. And because Elohim is a god of great wrath, the disasters do not just harm those who sinned, but everyone, and disproportionately the poorest who don’t have the resources to survive natural disaster. To find peace with the world around us, we must stop fossil fuel emissions and sacrifice our billionaires to Elohim upon a ritual pyre.
A great example on why religious knowledge is less valuable than scientific knowledge. The belief that the issues are that simple and blocks understanding of why it happens and how to prevent similar situations from recurring.
More however, the god parts have no value. If you insert science into religion, it’s still science. The science information should be extracted from the religious knowledge, and the less valuable religious parts discarded.
And all religions have science in them. Pacific Islanders know things about wayfaring and wave dynamics that physicists are just now discovering. Colonisers in Australia spoiled the environment by disregarding indigenous conservation practices. Buddhists have been teaching western psychologists about the uses of meditation for the past two decades. The Haudenosaunee taught Karl Marx’s friends about communism. Muslims were avoiding dangerous meats before germ theory was invented. For hundreds of years, westerners have dismissed religious knowledge and said oopsie when they later learned there was science inside the religion. I caution you not to make the same mistake.
No, people invented religions in an attempt to explain things that they did not understand.
Things that the scientific method has allowed us to understand.
That is not science.
I’m appreciative that you’re entirely misunderstanding what I think should be happening in favor of writing your own narrative. I do not think that religious texts and oral histories should be erased. They should be studied. I think that religion deserves suppression. There will be no magical discoveries religious people make anymore. Most of that was likely not religious until they made it as such to get people to believe them in the first place.
The scientific information can and should be taken in. But, I explicitly said “less value” not no value in regards to religious knowledge, which you so kindly ignored, again to write your own narrative, one where you condescendingly assume I did not already know what you just stated
if those spiritual practices are being used to oppress, as is often the case, then good. We should disregard them. There are cultures who believe that sexually abusing young men is just, because they need to consume “the spirit of life” through another man’s semen in order to produce offspring. Should we be respecting those practices?
People are allowed to believe in whatever nonsense they like in the comfort of their own homes, but the second that shit spills out into the real world, it almost universally becomes a problem.
I beg you to take a moment to understand and empathise with your neighbours. The Haudenosaunee, the Koori, the Maya, have done nothing to harm you.
Oh damn, well you better drop the mic after that one 🙄
You do realise that atheism is not a religious position right? Atheist people don’t hate God despite what various Bible bashes try to claim, atheists don’t believe in God. It hard to hate someone that you don’t believe exists.
Equally atheists don’t hate religion as a concept, they just don’t find any of it to be convincing.
I do understand that. Theism and atheism are pretty much perpendicular to the issue of religion. There are many theistic religions, many atheistic religions, many irreligious theistic beliefs, and many irreligious atheistic beliefs. Though fewer irreligious people on both sides of the theism debate than I think most are willing to admit. For example any atheist who watches Andrew Tate’s videos is not, I think, an atheist or irreligious.
It’s like you’re just inventing your own definitions of words on the fly.
What THE FUCK does Andrew Tate have to do with atheism?
And why should everyone have a religion?
Religion is just believing without evidence. And with that “logic” you can make up anything and get people to believe in it. That is how every cult starts. A religion is just a long lasting cult. It is nothing more than a bit for control over people like you.
No wonder that the majority of religious people believe in the religion they were taught when they couldn’t think critically yet.
Look at their profile. You’re falling for a troll lol
There are plenty of things that require belief without evidence that aren’t religion (conspiracy theories, pseudoscience). There are also religions that rely on science for answers, and so they do require evidence.
Well I’m sold
Yeah I’m totally flummoxed because I’m atheist so obviously I believe in the healing power of crystals. I don’t know what the scientific religion been alluded to is, but I’m assuming it’s Scientology, the fact that they think that shows you everything you need to know about them.
That’s not the stellar arguement you think it is. Believing in aliens is also nonsense.
That’s my point.
I’m afraid I don’t have time to answer all your hastily listed arguments with a well thought out response, so I’ll just pick one. You said religion is belief without evidence, but that’s faith. Religion is actually organised belief or worship. There are many religions that don’t require any faith to believe in.
For example many Buddhists don’t believe in any of the parts of the religion they consider supernatural, and instead focus on the philosophy and life advice, which is still religious in nature because of its organisation.
Worshippers of the Antichrist, Donald Trump, also don’t tend to believe without apparent evidence. The evidence they do believe in is all lies, but what they’re doing still isn’t faith. Being lied to with bad evidence isn’t faith.
And as a third example, the religion of Mammon, the worship of money, can be practiced entirely unknowingly and without the slightest suggestion of false belief. It’s clearly true that money runs the world, and many people worship money and capitalism because of its obvious and true power over us.
And I think if you don’t choose a religion consciously, then like many worshippers of Mammon, you may end up joining a system of organised worship unconsciously. The Lemmy developers are in a religion without knowing, it’s that easy.
It doesn’t matter how organised the belief is or how established the belief is, it’s still belief without evidence. I have no idea why you brought Trump up he has no bearing on this conversation whatsoever since his supporters don’t believe in him, they can see him right there in front of them. You don’t need to believe in things that demonstrably exist.
The Lemmy developers are Marxists, that’s a political opinion not a belief (for what it’s worth they would probably claim to be Christian). Do you seriously think it is impossible to hold opinions about any particular matter without them being religiously based, if so how does my preferred brand of peanut butter relate to religious dogma?
I’m sorry that the education system has failed you so.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/belief
a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing. e.g. I believe in president Trump’s leadership
something that is accepted, considered to be true, or held as an opinion : something believed. e.g. Donald Trump is truly one of the presidents of all time
conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence. e.g. *President Trump sure does exist, alright, I looked at the evidence and I believe he’s real.
Trump’s worshippers fit all three definitions for belief in Trump, even if you and I wish they wouldn’t fit the first.
I’m sorry you’ve been lead to believe that belief is only for things that aren’t true. I hope one day you learn how to believe in true things like staplers and giraffes.
Your condescending attitude not withstanding I’ll address your point.
We are talking about religious belief, no one religiously believes in Trump, now you can use the word to describe his supporters if you want, but it’s a corruption of the idea (and before you start “corruption” here refers to redefining a words original concept). They like him a lot, that’s it. You can’t believe in Trump any more than you can believe in potatoes.
As for the education system having failed me, I think we’re operating far beyond anything the education system ever bothered to tackle.
Now if we could stop talking about Trump that would be great, because despite the fact you think you’re being clever, he’s completely irrelevant to the concept of religion. Just like most people who are losing the arguement you have reframed it to talk about a different subject matter to try and make me argue a point which is miles away from the original talking point.
Can you help me with a christlike waffle recipe?
There are plenty of people who don’t have a religion, and they seem to be just fine. I personally don’t think that I need religion, but since it seems to make my life better, I’m glad that I have it.