Maps and documents recovered from the bodies of Hamas attackers reveal a coordinated plan to target children and take hostages inside an Israeli village near Gaza.
Documents exclusively obtained by NBC News show that Hamas created detailed plans to target elementary schools and a youth center in the Israeli kibbutz of Kfar Sa’ad, to “kill as many people as possible,” seize hostages and quickly move them into the Gaza Strip.
The attack plans, which are labeled “top secret” in Arabic, appear to be orders for two highly trained Hamas units to surround and infiltrate villages and target places where civilians, including children, gather. Israeli authorities are still determining the death toll in Kfar Sa’ad.
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In 94 we (royal) almost had peace. In '93 The Oslo accords promised Palestinians self governance in 5 years. Israel under Rabin and Abbas with the PLO had an agreement for Palestine to be run by the PA in the mean time and work towards peace.
Rabin along with either Abbas or Arafat (can’t remember) even pulled Israeli troops out of occupied Palestine and gave land back as part of the peace agreement, marking the most significant step towards peace we will see.
But then Rabin was assassinated in 95 by a zionist. Israel turns over to Netanyahu. Netanyahu refuses to meet with Arafat.
Oslo II fell apart as the US refused to recognize Hamas (who had popular support), preferring the secular Fatah (PA). Whats the point in holding an election if it wont be recognized anyways? Hamas doesn’t enter the '96 race.
At some point Netanyahu starts funding Hamas knowing that he can also pit Hamas against the Fatah. Netanyahu will fund Hamas on multiple occasions throughout the 90’s and 2000’s.
In '97 the US declares Hamas a terrorist group, ending any chance of an election that satisfies the people.
Hamas wins the '06 election
Saying Rabin was assassinated by a Zionist is very unfair. Especially since Rabin was one of the biggest Zionist leaders since ever. Yigal Amir (Rabin’s killer) is a Kahanist terrorist. And while self identifying as a Zionist, he probably also opposes most major Zionist leaders across history, from Ben Gurion to Rabin. It’s similar to saying a KKK hate crime was commited by Wstern American patriots.
Anyway after the murder, Israel had made very serious attempts at peace.
Some of those were very extensive and Israel made large concessions in the negotiations. Most of the serious attemts were ended by the Palestinians. There’s a saying in israel “The Palestinians never miss the opportunity to miss an opportunity for peace”. Today the Palestinian Authority (PA) has very little legitimacy within the Palestinian population, and arguably don’t represent the Palestinian people. It’s not cut and dry since there hadn’t been any elections in decades, but the sentiment for Hamas and other Palestinian factions and against the PA is very clear.
In spite of your bad faith arguments in this thread I do intend to look into this list.
I’m sorry if you felt my arguments were in bad faith, and I’m sorry if I got a bot hot headed. I don’t mean to be rude, I am just very hurt after so many friends and family of mine got murdered. Hope you understand
Absolutely I do. And I hope you forgive me if I’ve said anything too ignorant.
I really am doing my best to inform myself. As soon as I saw your comment I skimmed a few articles about the events you listed and I could tell you put effort into it.
Honestly, this interaction renewed my faith in humanity a little. I’m going to try to put more effort in to make sure I’m not blaming anyone I shouldn’t while defending my “side”. Thanks :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter
Must be fun to negotiate with a party for peace, who declared in their charter that all this is “a waste of time and vain endeavors”, alongside genocidal racist fantasies.
Israel politics has it’s own “gems”, but I find the Hamas hard to top. These aren’t accidents, this is all intentional. They don’t want peace.
If I moved into your house without permission and told you I’ll bomb the shit out of you if you look at me funny you wouldn’t accept it right away either.
Which is the core reason why there is no peaceful solution.
Israel was founded as a Jewish ethnostate. Imagine if the same was done but it was a white ethnostate. Who would be the first to move there?
White nationalists who want a pure white ethnostate, that’s who. That’s what happened in Israel. Those who wanted àto separate themselves from ‘the other’. It’s why there is such a strong radical ethnic based faction of Jews in Israel whose views aren’t reflected in most of the Jewish populations elsewhere.
Conversely, those who haven’t found a way to flee Gaza over the decades are more likely to believe that they, as an ethnicity, are the rightful owners of the various holy sites and land in the area and the only solution is the removal or subjegation of the Jewish people from the region.
With both sides having significant and loud sections of their populations calling for the destruction of the other, how can peace ever happen?
There’s a wide spectrum of available stances and options between “accept it right away” and intentional, declared genocide. That’s no excuse.
So that’s why the Oslo accords stalled. That’s horrible.
Yeah there might be more to it but I’m pretty sure that assassination fucked up peace for the last 20 years.
Here’s one of the sources I used to come to my conclusion, it can give a more detailed explanation of the breakdown https://www.britannica.com/topic/Oslo-Accords#ref360514
Rabin was a well respected politician and former military hero, the Israeli public trusted him and would have made peace. Once he was assassinated that radical upstart Netanyahu gained more prominance and slow walked the peace process over a cliff.
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It was not my intention although I can totally understand why it appears that way.
I plan to look into Arafat next. Followed by the events listed by E.B.Y.W. @ lemmy.word
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I’m sure Arafat and the PLO were the reason the IDF killed 223 Palestinians, some children, during a peaceful protest in 2018.
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Don’t care. Israel is committing war crimes today . October 14, 2023.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
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Free Palestine 🇵🇸 and maybe I’ll consider reading. Deal?
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I’m not arguing. Free Palestine 🇵🇸 and then we can have a good faith discussion of a one -state or two-state solution. The UN plopped Israel down in Palestine’s backyard and carried out the Nakba, and expected a love fest? There’s your history. Free Palestine 🇵🇸