Maps and documents recovered from the bodies of Hamas attackers reveal a coordinated plan to target children and take hostages inside an Israeli village near Gaza.
Documents exclusively obtained by NBC News show that Hamas created detailed plans to target elementary schools and a youth center in the Israeli kibbutz of Kfar Sa’ad, to “kill as many people as possible,” seize hostages and quickly move them into the Gaza Strip.
The attack plans, which are labeled “top secret” in Arabic, appear to be orders for two highly trained Hamas units to surround and infiltrate villages and target places where civilians, including children, gather. Israeli authorities are still determining the death toll in Kfar Sa’ad.
It’s possible to blame both. There’s nothing in the comment you’re responding to saying Israel is not a terror state or that they’re not to blame for things going to shit.
You can absolutely blame Hamas for their actions. And you can blame Israel for Hamas. Responding to completely fair criticism of Hamas by whining that Israel is worse is just whataboutism. They are both terror organizations at this point.
This is why I’ve stayed out of the fray, everyone here is a bad actor. There are decades of eye for an eye that have resulted in everyone being blind.
Revolutionary militant groups don’t spawn where material conditions are being met. If every Palestinian was “middle class,” Hamas would have never flourished. Which tells you everything about who is to blame.
To add to this and as I wrote somewhere else, the Israeli State has for so long made life so hard for Palestinians, especially in the Gaza strip, that there are now tens of thousands of Palestinians with so little to lose that joining an organisation internationally seen as a terrorist organisation is still a step-up from that.
Reminds me of the parable “the more you squeeze the more sand dissapears between your fingers”.
The Israeli far-right strategy all these years in power in Israel has been one of such extreme and calous treatment of those human beings they deem as pretty much üntermensch (all with the full support of the US, by the way) that it hasn’t increased Israel’s security but actually done the opposite, leaving one to wonder if the strategy all along of the Israeli far-right wasn’t sacrificing a few thousand Israelis in order to justify the outright genocide the Israeli Army is seems to be about to commit.
Only a fool thinks those who casually crush people from the “other group” with violence, genuinelly care about people from “their group” - that’s not how killers work.
Look at the massacre apologist…
You can do many things before joining a terrorist org. Many Gazans prefer to work in Israel instead for example. And even if you did, there’s a very long path from joining for the sake of bettering you status to killing children in their beds as they sleep.
Your arguments are so “powerful” that you had to start your post by othering and then slandering the person you disagree with.
The funny bit is that in the only part that made a tiny bit of sense in that oft parroted rant of your (I could swear I’ve been reading those exact same words since even before the murder of Arafat), you ended up confirming my point: Gazans would much rather live and work in the same conditions as the Israeli and, lo-and-behold, those who do get a chance to even just get close to that (as they’re never more than 3rd class citizens in Israel) don’t join terrorist groups.
Imagine that: given people opportunities to live a half-way decent life and treat them with even just the minimum of respect, and they don’t join terrorist groups. What! A! Shocker!
Oh I do, and the Palestinian population living in Israel enjoys the prosperity of israel. From the sentiment of your comments, I feel like you think Israel should somehow provide for the Palestinians in Gaza. But you see, 1. It isn’t obligated to help neighboring countries, and 2. It doesn’t want to. I don’t see Spain providing its neighbor Morroco although it would benefit the Morrocan population. I don’t see the US providing for Mexican border towns, although it may move people away from joining drug cartels (because as you said it, poor people have no choice but join criminal orgs)
That’s absolutely not true. The 9/11 hijackers were Saudis. A country that literally has a basic income program to give it’s citizens cash.
Revisionist history. It is true. May want to brush up on your history. They were Al-qaeda and were based in Afghanistan. They were fighting American Imperialism which exploits their region and extracts wealth.
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You link literally starts with “15/19 were Saudi citizens”
Also: Hamas deserves no quarter. Free Palestine from their reign of terror.
15 is not all and they didn’t live in Saudi Arabia. They were based in Afghanistan. Which had been materially devastated by a war with the USSR. If the material conditions in Afghanistan were hunky dory, the people would not have allowed it to flourish. Stop trying to distract from Israel war crimes. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
They were in Afghanistan because that’s where Al Queda was training them. They lived in Saudi Arabia, then travelled to Afghanistan. Stop making stuff up if you want to be taken seriously.
I’m sorry, you’re completely correct. /s Now maybe we can address those Israeli war crimes happening today and the plight of the Palestinians?
It’s not whataboutism, it’s identifying the root cause of the conflict. They’re absolutely both terror organizations, but criticizing one without criticizing the other equally is taking a clear side.
It’s not taking a clear side, sometimes one of them is the topic of conversation.
There is no Hamas without Israel. There is no discussion of one side without discussion of the other, unless you were trying to create an asymmetrical dialogue.
Sometimes I’m on the phone and just want to type a few sentences on-topic, not a history essay.
It’s so easy to write damning sentences about Hamas, and so difficult to write the same about Israel.
Nah, they suck too.
So you want all Jews to leave the area?
Israelis call themselves Jews, but it’s clear they worship Mammon.
Spoken like a true Nazi.
Spoken like a true idiot.
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Israel isn’t the excuse, Israel is the cause. There is no Hamas without Israel. The Israeli government, funds and informs them so they have a righteous enemy.
You either lack integrity, intelligence, or both.
Your straw man about whataboutism is a logical fallacy. It’s cherry picking the false equivalence of Motte and Bailey versus ad hominem. It lacks epistemic justification and borders on begging the question : Free Palestine 🇵🇸
No reason to argue with an anti-semitic Nazi like you are.
I thought the talking points propaganda department would at least wait a week before bringing back the hits, but here we are: projection.
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